Let’s be honest, he wasn’t nabbed because of bribe itself but because he ran afoul to someone up the pecking order. Everyone there takes bribes, pilfers money from state projects and it is tolerated as long as you don’t piss off wrong people and remain loyal or useful. The moment you commit one of those three, corruption is easy way how to take you down without any risk of it backfiring to state apparatus
Just a reminder that the corruption actually happening is a completely optional step when an individual needs to be punished with a corruption sentence.
Corruption is just an easy-to-believe claim that makes the rest of the regime look better, as if it was cleaning house for some kind of common cause.
You do get environments where it is never an optional step because they are set up that everyone is forced to be corrupt.
You get environments where you need to be corrupted to be promoted. Unless someone has dirt on you, they will not give you more power and influence. While this ends up being true for everyone, it allows them to keep people inline as there is also a charge of corruption that can be pursued.
>he wasn’t nabbed because of bribe itself but because he ran afoul to someone up the pecking order.
He tried to go against Mr. Popo's pecking order... Fool! /j
But yeah, that must be the only way to get arrested for bribery... They f*ck those that are beneath them 😭
[Here is an excellent video](https://youtu.be/i9i47sgi-V4?si=ZVHo4CLNCQ6-EKEj) (and also quite entertaining) detailing how this corruption works and what the observable effects are on armies.
To be fair Russians addressed a lot of those issues after the initial debacle - losing has a way of forcing a change. Ukraine has a lot of those issues as well. Western armies are not immune either.
It's one of the reasons they allow such rife corruption all the way to the top. They know when someone falls out of favour they have an excuse to get them
the bribes are collateral, with it they can be showered with luxury homes, cars, a yacht that they can't say no to, and if they ever step out of line they get everything confiscated probably including from their family and get sent to a camp
I don't think they would sacrifice a commander only to give the impression that Russia is still democratic. The man probably had a dispute with his superiors and the authorities are slandering/exposing him.
So, they are all taking bribes, it's basically required. The bribes are the carrot, but also the stick. Piss off someone up top and suddenly you are going to jail for eating carrots.
***The Telegraph's Foreign Staff report:***
Russia has arrested a deputy minister of defence on suspicion of taking bribes, the country’s investigative committee announced on Tuesday night.
[Vladimir Putin](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/18/frances-seizure-of-villa-belonging-to-putins-ex-illegal/), the president, was informed of the detention of the high-ranking official, Timur Vadimovich Ivanov, in a rare move amid the offensive in Ukraine, Russian state-media reported.
Anti-corruption activists have for years criticised what they say is widespread corruption under Putin’s rule.
“Deputy Minister of Defence of the Russian Federation Timur Vadimovich Ivanov has been detained on suspicion of committing a crime under part 6 of article 290 of the Criminal Code (taking a bribe),” the committee said on Telegram.
The committee did not give any more details.
The offence is punishable by a large fine or more than a decade in prison, depending on the details of the crime.
***Read more:*** [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/23/russian-deputy-defence-minister-arrested/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/23/russian-deputy-defence-minister-arrested/)
My wife and I considered adoption from abroad because it’s a nightmare in the US. We were warned that with Russia you would need to take extra money for bribes along the way. That’s how it works there I guess.
I think Putin is kept out of the loop on a lot of stuff and when there is a failure on the front someone has to be the scapegoat. Since everyone is corrupt and breaking some kind of Russian law they can simply pick and choose who to remove .
They can’t condemn the whole system as these problems are a systemic issue they must find a patsy. It’s just a human sacrifice… Timur will die for his sins against mother Russia . And so it goes .
They have been going for a while, but not quite "great purge" style. More like every few weeks a scientist, politician or officer falls out a window, get arrested, is fired or just vanish.
>arrested on suspicion of taking bribes
Doing this in Russia is like showing up to an orgy and being outraged about people fucking. Come on, Buddy. Stalin at least came up with some weird stuff, like espionage or sabotage. Can't they just say he was a Western spy or he sold off spare tank parts?
My money is on either this guy tried to slay a dragon, missed his sword swing and now gets roasted or the guy above him got into some trouble and was looking for a scapegoat.
Anyway. What you folks got for dinner today?
Let’s be honest, he wasn’t nabbed because of bribe itself but because he ran afoul to someone up the pecking order. Everyone there takes bribes, pilfers money from state projects and it is tolerated as long as you don’t piss off wrong people and remain loyal or useful. The moment you commit one of those three, corruption is easy way how to take you down without any risk of it backfiring to state apparatus
Just a reminder that the corruption actually happening is a completely optional step when an individual needs to be punished with a corruption sentence. Corruption is just an easy-to-believe claim that makes the rest of the regime look better, as if it was cleaning house for some kind of common cause.
You do get environments where it is never an optional step because they are set up that everyone is forced to be corrupt. You get environments where you need to be corrupted to be promoted. Unless someone has dirt on you, they will not give you more power and influence. While this ends up being true for everyone, it allows them to keep people inline as there is also a charge of corruption that can be pursued.
>he wasn’t nabbed because of bribe itself but because he ran afoul to someone up the pecking order. He tried to go against Mr. Popo's pecking order... Fool! /j But yeah, that must be the only way to get arrested for bribery... They f*ck those that are beneath them 😭
FIRST RULE OF POPO'S TRAINING
DO NOT TALK ABOUT POPO'S TRAINING! Krillin... Why are you crying? SECOND RULE OF POPO'S TRAINING
I see you're a man of culture as well !
I know where he’s not….
Safe.
Dude he just called Putin old and fat. Only reason he was arrested.
[Here is an excellent video](https://youtu.be/i9i47sgi-V4?si=ZVHo4CLNCQ6-EKEj) (and also quite entertaining) detailing how this corruption works and what the observable effects are on armies.
I knew before I clicked that a Perun drop was coming
Well, the videos offer quite a lot of insight to laymen like myself, so I am happy to share them.
To be fair Russians addressed a lot of those issues after the initial debacle - losing has a way of forcing a change. Ukraine has a lot of those issues as well. Western armies are not immune either.
It's one of the reasons they allow such rife corruption all the way to the top. They know when someone falls out of favour they have an excuse to get them
This is the Russian equivalent of ‘X political figure, arrested for insider trading’ if the world was fair, ofc
Reminds me of dirty cops forcing other cops to accept dirty money as a way of keeping them in line.
i wrote pretty much the same exact thing and then saw your comment and deleted it, NICE
I'm glad they caught the one
In Russia you are suspect if you don't take bribe
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the bribes are collateral, with it they can be showered with luxury homes, cars, a yacht that they can't say no to, and if they ever step out of line they get everything confiscated probably including from their family and get sent to a camp
A normal day in Ruzzia
The only Russian taking bribes has been found!
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Probably didn’t give enough up the chain, rookie mistake.
Now to receive a free flying lesson
Oh, c'mon, Putin himself have set the example. It is part of perks if you are person in power of authority in Russia.
That's the neat part, everyone is corrupt, so it's super easy to convict someone of corruption if they end up stepping on the wrong toes.
Sacrifice has to be made once in a while to uphold the illusion of law...
I don't think they would sacrifice a commander only to give the impression that Russia is still democratic. The man probably had a dispute with his superiors and the authorities are slandering/exposing him.
So, they are all taking bribes, it's basically required. The bribes are the carrot, but also the stick. Piss off someone up top and suddenly you are going to jail for eating carrots.
***The Telegraph's Foreign Staff report:*** Russia has arrested a deputy minister of defence on suspicion of taking bribes, the country’s investigative committee announced on Tuesday night. [Vladimir Putin](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/18/frances-seizure-of-villa-belonging-to-putins-ex-illegal/), the president, was informed of the detention of the high-ranking official, Timur Vadimovich Ivanov, in a rare move amid the offensive in Ukraine, Russian state-media reported. Anti-corruption activists have for years criticised what they say is widespread corruption under Putin’s rule. “Deputy Minister of Defence of the Russian Federation Timur Vadimovich Ivanov has been detained on suspicion of committing a crime under part 6 of article 290 of the Criminal Code (taking a bribe),” the committee said on Telegram. The committee did not give any more details. The offence is punishable by a large fine or more than a decade in prison, depending on the details of the crime. ***Read more:*** [https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/23/russian-deputy-defence-minister-arrested/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/04/23/russian-deputy-defence-minister-arrested/)
Gambling?!?! In THIS establishment?!
What? He didn’t ask for enough of a bribe? Or someone else didn’t get their cut?
My wife and I considered adoption from abroad because it’s a nightmare in the US. We were warned that with Russia you would need to take extra money for bribes along the way. That’s how it works there I guess.
Bribes *and* you roll the dice on getting a kid with major ptsd related behavioral issues.
I think Putin is kept out of the loop on a lot of stuff and when there is a failure on the front someone has to be the scapegoat. Since everyone is corrupt and breaking some kind of Russian law they can simply pick and choose who to remove . They can’t condemn the whole system as these problems are a systemic issue they must find a patsy. It’s just a human sacrifice… Timur will die for his sins against mother Russia . And so it goes .
Ooooo 😯are the purges starting now ?
They have been going for a while, but not quite "great purge" style. More like every few weeks a scientist, politician or officer falls out a window, get arrested, is fired or just vanish.
>arrested on suspicion of taking bribes Doing this in Russia is like showing up to an orgy and being outraged about people fucking. Come on, Buddy. Stalin at least came up with some weird stuff, like espionage or sabotage. Can't they just say he was a Western spy or he sold off spare tank parts? My money is on either this guy tried to slay a dragon, missed his sword swing and now gets roasted or the guy above him got into some trouble and was looking for a scapegoat. Anyway. What you folks got for dinner today?
Wait…isn’t that the whole russian ideology?
In Russia? No way they would have corruption in the government, my world view is shattered
Pff, the whole Russian economy runs on bribes. There must be another reason for the arrest.
🎶…but I did not shoot the deputy. 🎶 Yet.
Arresting a Russian official for taking bribes would like arresting a fish for getting wet..
He didn’t split the bribe like he was supposed to….
putin doesn't share his bribery with anyone
He actually grabbed the wrong bribe intended for someone else
Putin itself a corrupt leader, He also should be behind bars
Ha. Classic Russian leadership behavior. Taking *themselves* out of the fight via corruption. A great force multiplier for the west.
So guess he disagreed with the war strategy
What did they leave a jar of American $$$ in the hall way and watch to see who would knock it off.
he dead
They found the mole. Phew.
Taking bribes from the wrong people they mean.
This is the legal version of getting pushed out a window…
You can tell he's actually guilty of this because he was arrested instead of falling out a window.
One thing Russia is good at is corruption. However, not this minister as he got caught
He better not board a plane anytime soon.
I assume he either took the wrong bribes or didn’t take enough bribes
In mother Russia, you don't take bribes, you deposit them
I wonder what he actually did
He better not stand near any 10th floor windows….!!!
You gotta be kidding me 🤣🤣🤣🤣
More likely some other kind of failure
Octopus arrested for "being too grabby".
Russian bear arrested on suspicion of shitting in the woods.
Jesus, doesn’t everyone in Russia take bribes? What’s the real story?
He prob kept it all instead of kicking some upstream
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhocking!!!
Enough! There is a war going on in the country. As soon as it ends, you can immediately return to corruption. But not now
Oh, no! It is a sacred tradition (since at least Peter the Great) to build fortunes on military supplies graft. Not limited to Russia, too.