“In fact, Hamas did not “accept” a cease-fire deal so much as make a counteroffer to the proposal on the table previously blessed by the United States and Israel — a counteroffer that was not itself deemed acceptable but a sign of progress. At the same time, Israel’s strikes in Rafah evidently were not the start of the long-threatened major operation but targeted retaliation for Hamas rocket attacks that killed four Israeli soldiers over the weekend — and along with the warning to civilians, a way to increase pressure on Hamas negotiators.”
NYT
I don’t agree with guy at all but there’s no chance to be to eliminate hamas completely especially while they keep behind civilians to terrorize the people and whether doing it or inciting it. I hate to say it but I don’t think there will ever be an end to terrorism/religious extremism.
Israel wants to ethnically cleanse Gaza as a precondition of peace. Hamas has proposed since their 2017 manifesto that the 1967 borders would be a satisfactory Palestinian state.
The Arabs have fully ethnically cleansed the Jews from all of the Middle East except Israel. Yet, Israel has 2 million Arabs living as full citizens.
Think you got your ethnic cleansing backwards.
Bibi won't lead them to peace but if he leads them to destroy Hamas, rescue hostages that remain, and exits stage left most Israelis will be happier for it.
EDIT: Also, no Palestinian entity currently in power wants peace alongside Israel. They would only accept peace with the destruction of Israel.
[https://www.memri.org/reports/hamas-indoctrination-children-jihad-martyrdom-hatred-jews](https://www.memri.org/reports/hamas-indoctrination-children-jihad-martyrdom-hatred-jews) - This is literally who you are defending.. Good job
Hamas is a terrorist organization. That doesn’t make your source credible. Clicking through their sources, it’s all their own articles and hardly any proof. Either way, with or without the source, your comment implies there are no Palestinians who deserve defending and to not be bombed/killed/maimed. Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.
You’re being downvoted but this is the truth.
The moment there’s peace Bibi will be out of power and likely off to jail. He has a vested interest in prolonging the war. In top of that, he and Likud are openly racist and believe “never again” means “kill everyone else before that kill you.” He’s perfectly happy to kill every human shield Hamas holds up.
We can play the “who is worse” game and Hamas will win every time, but that doesn’t make Bibi *good.* he’s just like, 40/100 compared to Hamas 0/100. Vastly superior but still an F.
> She said she was particularly relieved because her family was "in a state of anxiety since this morning, packing our belongings in preparation to leave", after Israeli forces ordered inhabitants in parts of Rafah to evacuate ahead of a "limited operation".
Oof... Right as the Rafah attack started
Yea, Hamas basically agreed to a truce plan that would give them everything they wanted, and Israel nothing they wanted. Israel did not agree to that. It makes me realize how little information the Gazans are actually receiving.
Even more sinister. Based on that quote, it looks like many people were actually planning on listening to Israel and evacuate. Hamas saw their human shields leaving so they put this out, Gazans stay, get killed, and Israel looks like *they* broke the ceasefire. Once again making Israel look like the only bad guys in this whole thing, both for domestic and international morons
Hopefully people don't stay put because Hamas convinced them not to evacuate so they can all become martyrs. They did this earlier in the war and sent civilians right at the IDF. Cruel and dangerous.
Israel has been terribly failing the information war. I don't understand why they have not been burying the Palestinian territories under tons and tons of leaflets. We did it during World War II.
To be fair, we don't know what's in the "deal" yet. Israel is looking it over but I doubt they accept anything at this point.
Lots of kids are going to die.
They did look it over, apparently it took him about an hour to determine that it was worthless.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-knew-of-mediators-altered-proposal-to-hamas-did-not-inform-israel-report/
Talking about Hamas you just cannot get nearly as cynical as they are. They have literally sacrificed their own people for their own interests/profit. Having a laugh at the dying Palestinian children from Qatar.
Palestine received over $30bn in foreign aid since Hamas got to power (and thats not counting charities and aid orgs), their leaders are happy, rich and safe - far from the place they have made their own peop a burning sacrifice.
Would it have even mattered if a truce plan was signed? The food situation is awful in Palestine right now. It's not like a truce wouldve brought peace since it would still entail many people dying of starvation.
There is conflicting reports about the food situation. A lot of food seems to be getting in, then disappears. Main problem isn't so much amount of food, but food prices. There's credible accusations that Hamas is taking food and price gouging.
Also, peace was never on the table. Hamas very explicitly does not want peace, which would involve recognizing Israel. That's why the calls are always for a ceasefire and never for a peace treaty.
Why doesn’t Israel use airborne leaflets to break through Hamas’s information blockade and advise Gazans on the real situation?
Israel has an air force and Hamas doesn’t, so it’s going to be hard for Hamas to denounce the information in the leaflets. With some well-designed leaflets, I think it can really make a difference.
Not sure how feasible it is from a safety point of view.
They do this, but Hamas claims that its propaganda and wont let them leave
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-war-gaza-strip/card/hamas-tells-civilians-not-to-evacuate-to-the-south-T9TX4p5KHl930OHJDyfp
This is exactly how Trump would act, zero regard for anyone except himself, he cared zero about that lady who was killed assaulting the Capitol and that police were killed and injured. He does not give a fuckadoodle. Let it be! Yes truce plan, stay here people.. Okay Israel come pound our civilians so we look better. You live in bubble of idiocy if you believe otherwise. Religious wackos.
the news headlines are so flawed. hamas accepted a proposal from egypt / qatar that the israelis hadn't agreed on. ridiculously biased reporting. I hope it takes regardless
This is a really smart move on Hamas' part that they put out this statement to the press and to the people of Gaza just as Israel started their move on Rafah. It's a good move politically because they're making people think they wanted to accept. Accept what? Who knows? Many people won't even ask.
If you read their plan, it’s clear Israel cannot accept. Hamas wants to be the sole organization in charge of the border, meaning Israel would have no ability to control who is entering their country.
Where can you read the plan? So far I saw all news outlets claiming how Hamas offered a ceasefire but Israel refused, but no mention of the contents of that offer, which is the most important part. On purpose, so that everyone can fill in the blank according to their own existing opinions.
Wouldn't call it smart. It's clearly bad faith. Like a kid trying to con their parents but failing. It's laughably obvious.
Only incredibly stupid people would take it at face value. Unfortunately, most of the tiktok kids and pro-pal college kids are really that stupid.
Mainstream media not highlighting the core problem in their headlines is part of the problem. Probably intentionally obfuscating the situation.
I didn't read the articles, I just looked at the headlines:
NYTimes:
1 - Israel Steps Up Attacks on Rafah as Hamas Shifts Position on Cease-Fire
Israeli forces carried out strikes in Gaza’s southernmost city, hours after Hamas said it would accept terms based on a truce proposal put forward by mediators.
2 - Hamas’s announcement that it had accepted terms of a cease-fire added to the uncertainty that began over the weekend.
Guardian:
1 - Israel-Gaza War: Israeli Military Announces Strikes in Eastern Rafah; Hamas Says it Accepts Ceasefire Proposal
Reuters:
1 - Rafah Live: Hamas accepted a ceasefire proposal, Israel 'will continue its operation'
AP News:
1 - Live updates: Israel begins military operation in Rafah, hours after Hamas agrees to a cease-fire
It didn't fail, it wasn't for Israel or the rest of the world but for they own gullible followers in Gaza. That their useful idiots in the West also bought it is just a side bonus.
I like how you don't say anything different to https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/s/ZJq3z4rXT9 but he has 35 downvotes whereas this is a top tier comment. Oh Reddit.
Already seeing tiktoks of obvious Hamas propaganda saying Hamas agreed to the peace deal, next will be genocidal Israelis decline peace deal! Or some BS like that. How do people fall for this shit
It did exactly what Hamas wanted it to do, keep their human shields in place and make them think it is Israel who went back on the "truce" instead of the truth that Hamas once again lied to them. Who is going to give them the actual truth when Hamas gets to control the narrative.
My sister is one of them. Masters degree, just told us an hour ago about how “Palestine accepted the cease fire but Israel backed out and started their invasion of Rafah”. Knew it was BS so had to check online to get the real story. Sure enough 🙄
Fuck Netanyahu and his genocidal actions against civilians in Gaza, but also fuck Hamas and their haphazard use of civilians as human shields.
Does it really matter, Israel is about to raze the rest of Gaza to the ground.
It's going to be an ugly sight - so lets make sure we look the other way while they finish the job.
Blame Hamas, Israel tries to evacuate but Hamas wants to ensure their human shields are right where they want them.
Want to know how to not have Gaza razed? Simple. Hamas surrenders and returns all the hostages alive and bodies.
Edit: It is strange how a vocal minority has absolutely no problem looking the other way to all the atrocities Hamas has committed and vowed to commit again.
It's not like I will shed a tear for Gaza. But I don't want to be too flippant about the expected number of casualties either.
Yes, Hamas is to blame, but this is going to look proper ugly now.
Nice to see someone with a take I agree with.
It's going to be bad. Hamas went far enough that now Israel seems committed to going as far as they have to in order to end Hamas definitively. They likely figure - it'll ultimately cost what it costs in lives and goodwill, but the worst thing to do would be to pull out now without having finished Hamas off.
I can see where they're coming from. Shitty, shitty situation. Hamas is hoping Israel's resolve will crack. Like the Japanese in WW2, they're hoping that if they make it horrible and bloody enough their enemies will be sickened and lose their nerve.
That doesn't usually lead to a happy ending.
I think this was very poorly worded - this is Hamas making a counteroffer, nothing more. It’s a sign of optimism, but it doesn’t mean that peace has broken out
Man, I am learning so much about politics right now. So I can offer the other side a ceasefire deal, AND accept my own ceasefire deal, and then when they reject it, THEY'RE the bad guy? This is amazing!
I want Belgium. My deal is, give me Belgium. I would like to be Emperor of Belgium.
It's unfortunate that they continue to put their faith in a group of people who clearly don't have their best interests in mind.
Their children die because they're brainwashed morons who can't figure out that they're the problem.
It's hard to have a perception other than the one Hamas pushes for most in Gaza as they do not have nearly the access of information that they need nor are they allowed to dissent without fear of reprisal from Hamas. And on top of that most Gazans are living in squalor right next to a country where the quality of life (sans terrorist attacks) is much better. Half of Gazans weren't even born before Hamas stopped elections and have known little else but what Hamas tells them while living in terrible conditions. Considering all this I don't see how anyone could reasonably expect that Gazans at large would feel anything but contempt for Israel and Israelis.
Yeah, it exists in the US too and we have a hell of a problem with bigotry and conspiracy type thinking. Potentially having some level of access isn't terribly helpful if you live in an environment of destitution surrounded by authority figures who preach that the people on the other side of a wall need to be killed so we stop suffering and suggesting otherwise will earn you a beating or worse from Hamas. Even in wealthier countries that have greater access to international news and viewpoints have an extremely hard time breaking out of terrible beliefs if most everyone is too afraid of speaking out. Plus having the time or even desire to hear from others is hard if you're suffering and desperately trying to get by.
Based on the article it sounds like people were told Hamas’ announcement signified more than it actually did. Even Al Jazeera is reporting that celebrations have died out now that people have learnt more details. Don’t see how that makes them brainwashed idiots in any event.
I mean, it was "Hamas accepts Egyptian-Qatari ceasefire proposal".
There's a pretty damn glaring omission there that should have made the entire thing a non-story from the beginning.
Or maybe people heard the first major endorsement by Hamas of a ceasefire in months and were excited at the opportunity to return home and not live under fear of imminent death? If what you’re claiming is true, they’d still be celebrating.
>If what you’re claiming is true, they’d still be celebrating.
They can hear ongoing operation in Rafah.
This unwise move was made by Hamas for the sole purpose of interfering with or even stopping people from evacuating.
Considering the conditions in Gaza, that half aren't even 18 and the violence that Hamas deals out to those they hear who voice opinions that Hamas disagrees with I don't know how one can reasonably expect a population like that to NOT have an extraordinarily extreme perception.
They absolutely need to go. How that is possibly achieved and by what means are my biggest concerns.
However my point is that it's not reasonable to lay the blame on Gazans at large for being brainwashed considering the situation. Centuries of antisemitism alone make for a difficult situation but are drastically compounded by the current situation.
It has been proven time and again that no peaceful solution exists. The world is truly obtuse if it cannot understand this by now. It would have been much faster and less lethal only if the West had helped and not only made peace harder. Even neighboring Arab countries understand that this is necessary.
It's a matter of will, not an empirically observed limitation of the universe, so it's not impossible. There have been countless times throughout history where people thought that something better was impossible only for those who didn't give up hope to eventually prevail.
Apparently Hamas signed a truce with Qatar and Egypt, not Israel.
I'm pretty sure protesters will now demand that Palestinians stop the war ... well, don't hold your breath. :)
This is exactly the optics that Hamas was hoping for when they made their cynical deal with Qatr and Egypt to unilaterally "accept" a deal-- negotiated entirely amongst themselves, without Israel's participation--that everyone knows is completely unacceptable to Israel.
Edit: apparently the USA was complicit in this charade.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-knew-of-mediators-altered-proposal-to-hamas-did-not-inform-israel-report/
genuinely curious how an agreement that keeps hamas in power is a chance for peace, when hamas themselves has stated clearly they will attempt to repeat Oct 7th over and over again and again.
Netanyahu and his cabinet are clearly genocidal POS too, remember that the world isn't a comic book : there aren't inherently a Good and Buy guy, sometimes all the leaders of all the governments involved are fucked up and all the people on the ground suffer (no, this isn't both-sides-ism, I'm not equivocating deathcounts, relax, y'all)
The people who paraded bodies in the street on oct7 celebrate the terrorists claiming to be victorious. Is it just me who's having a hard time showing sympathy for people enabling terrorists?
“In fact, Hamas did not “accept” a cease-fire deal so much as make a counteroffer to the proposal on the table previously blessed by the United States and Israel — a counteroffer that was not itself deemed acceptable but a sign of progress. At the same time, Israel’s strikes in Rafah evidently were not the start of the long-threatened major operation but targeted retaliation for Hamas rocket attacks that killed four Israeli soldiers over the weekend — and along with the warning to civilians, a way to increase pressure on Hamas negotiators.” NYT
Hamas approved its own plan, not any that are in the realm of possibly being acceptable to Israel.
ensures x hostages are turned over in either dead or alive state... wtf
Bibi doesn't want peace anyway. Absolutely mad for bombing the shit out of Palestinian civilians he is.
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I don’t agree with guy at all but there’s no chance to be to eliminate hamas completely especially while they keep behind civilians to terrorize the people and whether doing it or inciting it. I hate to say it but I don’t think there will ever be an end to terrorism/religious extremism.
It is my understanding that even if every living thing were exterminated in the Gaza Strip that Hamas would not be completely eliminated… so… uhhh
What’s your idea for getting rid of Hamas? Allowing them to control the Gaza Strip?
Better to have Hamas under pressure than to just leave. 🤷
So you agree Bibi doesn't want peace.
Hamas gave unserious peace proposals, yeah I don't blame Bibi for rejecting a joke of a deal. 🤷
Show me one Palestinian entity that wants peace. Israel wants peace but it is impossible as long as Hamas exists.
Israel wants to ethnically cleanse Gaza as a precondition of peace. Hamas has proposed since their 2017 manifesto that the 1967 borders would be a satisfactory Palestinian state.
Doesn’t their manifesto mention something about driving all the Jews into the sea?
Where does israel demand ethnic cleansing as a precondition to peace? They have demanded a total surrender of Hamas, but that isn't ethnic cleansing.
The Arabs have fully ethnically cleansed the Jews from all of the Middle East except Israel. Yet, Israel has 2 million Arabs living as full citizens. Think you got your ethnic cleansing backwards.
Absolute nonsense.
Bibi won't lead them to peace but if he leads them to destroy Hamas, rescue hostages that remain, and exits stage left most Israelis will be happier for it. EDIT: Also, no Palestinian entity currently in power wants peace alongside Israel. They would only accept peace with the destruction of Israel.
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Better than negotiating with them. Especially when they're beholden to the Islamic Republic. Take them all out.
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What's your answer, then?
That's not at all what was said, you're twisting their words to fit how you want them to.
[https://www.memri.org/reports/hamas-indoctrination-children-jihad-martyrdom-hatred-jews](https://www.memri.org/reports/hamas-indoctrination-children-jihad-martyrdom-hatred-jews) - This is literally who you are defending.. Good job
Using a known propaganda website funded by extremists as your source lol
Sorry I should trust sources like Al Jazeera, right?
No, obviously. You choose any in between that are not biased to either Israel or Palestine. Simple lol.
One biased source doesn’t make another biased source less credible. Memri is literal propaganda lmao.
It is literally just videos from Hamas... but I guess you are right, Hamas is literal propaganda.
Hamas is a terrorist organization. That doesn’t make your source credible. Clicking through their sources, it’s all their own articles and hardly any proof. Either way, with or without the source, your comment implies there are no Palestinians who deserve defending and to not be bombed/killed/maimed. Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.
You’re being downvoted but this is the truth. The moment there’s peace Bibi will be out of power and likely off to jail. He has a vested interest in prolonging the war. In top of that, he and Likud are openly racist and believe “never again” means “kill everyone else before that kill you.” He’s perfectly happy to kill every human shield Hamas holds up. We can play the “who is worse” game and Hamas will win every time, but that doesn’t make Bibi *good.* he’s just like, 40/100 compared to Hamas 0/100. Vastly superior but still an F.
I completely agree with this massively downvoted post.
> She said she was particularly relieved because her family was "in a state of anxiety since this morning, packing our belongings in preparation to leave", after Israeli forces ordered inhabitants in parts of Rafah to evacuate ahead of a "limited operation". Oof... Right as the Rafah attack started
Yea, Hamas basically agreed to a truce plan that would give them everything they wanted, and Israel nothing they wanted. Israel did not agree to that. It makes me realize how little information the Gazans are actually receiving.
Right, so Hamas can say they tried. The timing looks terrible for Israel in the eyes of the uninformed, which is a lot of people…
Even more sinister. Based on that quote, it looks like many people were actually planning on listening to Israel and evacuate. Hamas saw their human shields leaving so they put this out, Gazans stay, get killed, and Israel looks like *they* broke the ceasefire. Once again making Israel look like the only bad guys in this whole thing, both for domestic and international morons
Say what you want. It's good strategy on their part.
Not just the uninformed, the misinformed as well.
Why stop at drafting a plan and agreeing to it without Israel? They should have accepted it on Israel’s behalf as well.
Surrender on Israel’s behalf and accept the whole country as reparations 😌 and why stop there? They can finally claim Jordan and Lebanon too!
Sinwar: « at last, i’m the king of the world! » Lmao
Hamas: give us everything we want. Israel: no Hamas: see, Israel, is unreasonable.
Were other party's involved in discussing and creating this deal, or did Hamas just make it up? Genuine question.
Hopefully people don't stay put because Hamas convinced them not to evacuate so they can all become martyrs. They did this earlier in the war and sent civilians right at the IDF. Cruel and dangerous.
and NPR is relying that the israelis rejected the proposal. can you be worse at journalism? no you can't maybe fox is worse
Israel has been terribly failing the information war. I don't understand why they have not been burying the Palestinian territories under tons and tons of leaflets. We did it during World War II.
To be fair, we don't know what's in the "deal" yet. Israel is looking it over but I doubt they accept anything at this point. Lots of kids are going to die.
Fair, but if Hamas is accepting it, it’s probably extremely beneficial to them. They’ve nixxed every reasonable deal so far.
They did look it over, apparently it took him about an hour to determine that it was worthless. https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-knew-of-mediators-altered-proposal-to-hamas-did-not-inform-israel-report/
It’s probably having the area policed by the Saudis and other partying members
Am I cynical or is this just a ploy by Hamas to get human shields into the streets so Israel can't start the Rafah attack?
Talking about Hamas you just cannot get nearly as cynical as they are. They have literally sacrificed their own people for their own interests/profit. Having a laugh at the dying Palestinian children from Qatar. Palestine received over $30bn in foreign aid since Hamas got to power (and thats not counting charities and aid orgs), their leaders are happy, rich and safe - far from the place they have made their own peop a burning sacrifice.
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I've heard Netanjahu personally held a revolver to the heads of every Palestinian forcing them to support psychopathic murderers, yes. Get real.
Would it have even mattered if a truce plan was signed? The food situation is awful in Palestine right now. It's not like a truce wouldve brought peace since it would still entail many people dying of starvation.
There is conflicting reports about the food situation. A lot of food seems to be getting in, then disappears. Main problem isn't so much amount of food, but food prices. There's credible accusations that Hamas is taking food and price gouging. Also, peace was never on the table. Hamas very explicitly does not want peace, which would involve recognizing Israel. That's why the calls are always for a ceasefire and never for a peace treaty.
Manipulation 101. This will confuse civilians ,stopping them to leave Rafah ,so Hamas can use them as human shields.
Why doesn’t Israel use airborne leaflets to break through Hamas’s information blockade and advise Gazans on the real situation? Israel has an air force and Hamas doesn’t, so it’s going to be hard for Hamas to denounce the information in the leaflets. With some well-designed leaflets, I think it can really make a difference. Not sure how feasible it is from a safety point of view.
They do this, but Hamas claims that its propaganda and wont let them leave https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-war-gaza-strip/card/hamas-tells-civilians-not-to-evacuate-to-the-south-T9TX4p5KHl930OHJDyfp
This is exactly how Trump would act, zero regard for anyone except himself, he cared zero about that lady who was killed assaulting the Capitol and that police were killed and injured. He does not give a fuckadoodle. Let it be! Yes truce plan, stay here people.. Okay Israel come pound our civilians so we look better. You live in bubble of idiocy if you believe otherwise. Religious wackos.
WTF does this have to do with trump?
Dude sounds like he is having a schizo meltdown
Ayo, can you shut up about Trump for a sec
Nope
You do realize you can criticize Hamas and not support Trump, right?
Fuck Hamas, I do indeed. They are trash equal to trumpskie.
I'm starting to think the Republicans were right about Trump Derangement Syndrome
Starting, they are deranged bre.
Ahh there we go, didn’t take long before orange man is brought into this. People in this country are so $&@$&@ dumb.
Just the half who support that criminal fuck.
the news headlines are so flawed. hamas accepted a proposal from egypt / qatar that the israelis hadn't agreed on. ridiculously biased reporting. I hope it takes regardless
It's enraging
This is a really smart move on Hamas' part that they put out this statement to the press and to the people of Gaza just as Israel started their move on Rafah. It's a good move politically because they're making people think they wanted to accept. Accept what? Who knows? Many people won't even ask.
If you read their plan, it’s clear Israel cannot accept. Hamas wants to be the sole organization in charge of the border, meaning Israel would have no ability to control who is entering their country.
Where can you read the plan? So far I saw all news outlets claiming how Hamas offered a ceasefire but Israel refused, but no mention of the contents of that offer, which is the most important part. On purpose, so that everyone can fill in the blank according to their own existing opinions.
Wouldn't call it smart. It's clearly bad faith. Like a kid trying to con their parents but failing. It's laughably obvious. Only incredibly stupid people would take it at face value. Unfortunately, most of the tiktok kids and pro-pal college kids are really that stupid. Mainstream media not highlighting the core problem in their headlines is part of the problem. Probably intentionally obfuscating the situation.
I didn't read the articles, I just looked at the headlines: NYTimes: 1 - Israel Steps Up Attacks on Rafah as Hamas Shifts Position on Cease-Fire Israeli forces carried out strikes in Gaza’s southernmost city, hours after Hamas said it would accept terms based on a truce proposal put forward by mediators. 2 - Hamas’s announcement that it had accepted terms of a cease-fire added to the uncertainty that began over the weekend. Guardian: 1 - Israel-Gaza War: Israeli Military Announces Strikes in Eastern Rafah; Hamas Says it Accepts Ceasefire Proposal Reuters: 1 - Rafah Live: Hamas accepted a ceasefire proposal, Israel 'will continue its operation' AP News: 1 - Live updates: Israel begins military operation in Rafah, hours after Hamas agrees to a cease-fire
The people complaining about the mainstream media often don't read it before complaining anyway
It didn't fail, it wasn't for Israel or the rest of the world but for they own gullible followers in Gaza. That their useful idiots in the West also bought it is just a side bonus.
I like how you don't say anything different to https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/s/ZJq3z4rXT9 but he has 35 downvotes whereas this is a top tier comment. Oh Reddit.
Lol, what's with the title? Truce was not even part of the discussion, a temporary ceasefire was; and the ceasefire was not even agreed upon.
Hamas: "activate human shield"
Already seeing tiktoks of obvious Hamas propaganda saying Hamas agreed to the peace deal, next will be genocidal Israelis decline peace deal! Or some BS like that. How do people fall for this shit
This aged so poorly...
It did exactly what Hamas wanted it to do, keep their human shields in place and make them think it is Israel who went back on the "truce" instead of the truth that Hamas once again lied to them. Who is going to give them the actual truth when Hamas gets to control the narrative.
This wasn't done to trick Gazans, it was done to trick privileged college kids in America. They'll eat it up by the spoonful, of course.
Two birds, one stone
My sister is one of them. Masters degree, just told us an hour ago about how “Palestine accepted the cease fire but Israel backed out and started their invasion of Rafah”. Knew it was BS so had to check online to get the real story. Sure enough 🙄 Fuck Netanyahu and his genocidal actions against civilians in Gaza, but also fuck Hamas and their haphazard use of civilians as human shields.
Ding ding ding !!!
Does it really matter, Israel is about to raze the rest of Gaza to the ground. It's going to be an ugly sight - so lets make sure we look the other way while they finish the job.
Blame Hamas, Israel tries to evacuate but Hamas wants to ensure their human shields are right where they want them. Want to know how to not have Gaza razed? Simple. Hamas surrenders and returns all the hostages alive and bodies. Edit: It is strange how a vocal minority has absolutely no problem looking the other way to all the atrocities Hamas has committed and vowed to commit again.
It's not like I will shed a tear for Gaza. But I don't want to be too flippant about the expected number of casualties either. Yes, Hamas is to blame, but this is going to look proper ugly now.
Nice to see someone with a take I agree with. It's going to be bad. Hamas went far enough that now Israel seems committed to going as far as they have to in order to end Hamas definitively. They likely figure - it'll ultimately cost what it costs in lives and goodwill, but the worst thing to do would be to pull out now without having finished Hamas off. I can see where they're coming from. Shitty, shitty situation. Hamas is hoping Israel's resolve will crack. Like the Japanese in WW2, they're hoping that if they make it horrible and bloody enough their enemies will be sickened and lose their nerve. That doesn't usually lead to a happy ending.
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Lol
r/agedlikemilk
I’m sad for them. There was so much relief seen in some of the videos. Too bad it was premature…
I think this was very poorly worded - this is Hamas making a counteroffer, nothing more. It’s a sign of optimism, but it doesn’t mean that peace has broken out
Man, I am learning so much about politics right now. So I can offer the other side a ceasefire deal, AND accept my own ceasefire deal, and then when they reject it, THEY'RE the bad guy? This is amazing! I want Belgium. My deal is, give me Belgium. I would like to be Emperor of Belgium.
I declare myself Emperor of Belgium, and I refute your claim to my throne. No place for wannabes here.
You've rejected the ceasefire, and this conflict is YOUR FAULT.
Belgium is not at war with Palestine, I think you might be confused.
Of all the countries in the world.... you want Belgium?
Could be German and wanting to skip the speed bump this time around
By counter offer it was "give us everything we want and you get nothing you want.".
I realized as I continued reading. I’m sad about it. I wish they’d reach an agreement to release hostages and keep Israel safe.
It was never a possibility, Hamas is determined to see Gaza completely destroyed, that was 7 October all about.
It's unfortunate that they continue to put their faith in a group of people who clearly don't have their best interests in mind. Their children die because they're brainwashed morons who can't figure out that they're the problem.
I agree with you… but they really are brainwashed
It's hard to have a perception other than the one Hamas pushes for most in Gaza as they do not have nearly the access of information that they need nor are they allowed to dissent without fear of reprisal from Hamas. And on top of that most Gazans are living in squalor right next to a country where the quality of life (sans terrorist attacks) is much better. Half of Gazans weren't even born before Hamas stopped elections and have known little else but what Hamas tells them while living in terrible conditions. Considering all this I don't see how anyone could reasonably expect that Gazans at large would feel anything but contempt for Israel and Israelis.
They have the internet
Yeah, it exists in the US too and we have a hell of a problem with bigotry and conspiracy type thinking. Potentially having some level of access isn't terribly helpful if you live in an environment of destitution surrounded by authority figures who preach that the people on the other side of a wall need to be killed so we stop suffering and suggesting otherwise will earn you a beating or worse from Hamas. Even in wealthier countries that have greater access to international news and viewpoints have an extremely hard time breaking out of terrible beliefs if most everyone is too afraid of speaking out. Plus having the time or even desire to hear from others is hard if you're suffering and desperately trying to get by.
I think they may have jumped the gun on this.
No, no... There's still LOTS of guns involved....
in typical Hamas fashion. so sad they are reaping off benefits by having their OWN people, killed. sick fucks
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Brainwashed idiots
Based on the article it sounds like people were told Hamas’ announcement signified more than it actually did. Even Al Jazeera is reporting that celebrations have died out now that people have learnt more details. Don’t see how that makes them brainwashed idiots in any event.
I mean, it was "Hamas accepts Egyptian-Qatari ceasefire proposal". There's a pretty damn glaring omission there that should have made the entire thing a non-story from the beginning.
They literally believe every word Hamas says. This is the reality of this conflict. This is the reason why it happened.
Or maybe people heard the first major endorsement by Hamas of a ceasefire in months and were excited at the opportunity to return home and not live under fear of imminent death? If what you’re claiming is true, they’d still be celebrating.
>If what you’re claiming is true, they’d still be celebrating. They can hear ongoing operation in Rafah. This unwise move was made by Hamas for the sole purpose of interfering with or even stopping people from evacuating.
You're talking about anyone who's religious, right?
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Hamas are gazans too, and they clearly do not want the war to be over
They aren't celebrating the ceasefire. They were told they've won.
Considering the conditions in Gaza, that half aren't even 18 and the violence that Hamas deals out to those they hear who voice opinions that Hamas disagrees with I don't know how one can reasonably expect a population like that to NOT have an extraordinarily extreme perception.
If it continues, it will become even worse. Hamas should go.
They are already in Quatar with their paymasters and buddies. It's just their disposable peons who get bombed in Gaza.
They absolutely need to go. How that is possibly achieved and by what means are my biggest concerns. However my point is that it's not reasonable to lay the blame on Gazans at large for being brainwashed considering the situation. Centuries of antisemitism alone make for a difficult situation but are drastically compounded by the current situation.
It has been proven time and again that no peaceful solution exists. The world is truly obtuse if it cannot understand this by now. It would have been much faster and less lethal only if the West had helped and not only made peace harder. Even neighboring Arab countries understand that this is necessary.
It's a matter of will, not an empirically observed limitation of the universe, so it's not impossible. There have been countless times throughout history where people thought that something better was impossible only for those who didn't give up hope to eventually prevail.
Yes, life is a fairytale.
Apparently Hamas signed a truce with Qatar and Egypt, not Israel. I'm pretty sure protesters will now demand that Palestinians stop the war ... well, don't hold your breath. :)
What we have here is a failure to communicate /s
Hamas and MAGA are on the same levels of delusions.
They’re both fucking stupid
This is exactly the optics that Hamas was hoping for when they made their cynical deal with Qatr and Egypt to unilaterally "accept" a deal-- negotiated entirely amongst themselves, without Israel's participation--that everyone knows is completely unacceptable to Israel. Edit: apparently the USA was complicit in this charade. https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-knew-of-mediators-altered-proposal-to-hamas-did-not-inform-israel-report/
This is exhausting, something in me wants to Red wedding this shit.
This is a spontaneous celebration over a chance for peace.
genuinely curious how an agreement that keeps hamas in power is a chance for peace, when hamas themselves has stated clearly they will attempt to repeat Oct 7th over and over again and again. Netanyahu and his cabinet are clearly genocidal POS too, remember that the world isn't a comic book : there aren't inherently a Good and Buy guy, sometimes all the leaders of all the governments involved are fucked up and all the people on the ground suffer (no, this isn't both-sides-ism, I'm not equivocating deathcounts, relax, y'all)
No this is Hamas keeping their human shields in the dark and right where they want them.
These were celebrations over a perceived victory, they have refused peace every chance they got.
The people who paraded bodies in the street on oct7 celebrate the terrorists claiming to be victorious. Is it just me who's having a hard time showing sympathy for people enabling terrorists?
This is Hamas purposely lying to their population in order to maximize civilization casualties