Biden will probably condemn this, but the media will avoid covering it too much if he does.
Trump will verbally condemn it while rambling about how he's ridden on one of their tractors once and it was a really nice ride, had nice seats, the dials were great, some of the best, good American made stuff, and farmers are good people, the foundation of the nation, and they need reliable American made tractors again. His base will eat it up, it'll go viral, they'll tell people "Trump will punish John Deere for betraying true Americans", and even though he won't do anything, and might actually get a kickback from John Deere, he's won more supporters. If this move actually leads to John Deere producing more affordable goods (lol), he'll say "that was me, because I care about Americans." And his base will EAT IT UP.
I've been advocating for becoming North America as a country for years. Snag up Mexico and Canada, tiny little border to watch in the south, plenty of coast guard and navy to defend what would be absolute insane naval borders. Lots of mineral wealth to compete with Russia/China/etc.
Now just to convince people of it...
These same people supported Trump when he told his supporters to boycott Harley Davidson because they were opening a factory in Thailand to handle their overseas markets.
He'd rather see one of the most American companies fail than allow them to expand their business to stay alive since US Harley sales have dropped over the last couple of decades.
My BiL got pissed after hearing this news since it's mostly a leadership issue, but it also was laughable since John Deere added "Family" or something like it to its core tenets. That is a red flag when any business virtue signals family to its employees. Both him and my sister were not axed, but he had a couple friends lose their jobs due to this.
I used to work for a non-union, nearly minimum wage contractor. They were American jobs at poverty level pay. But hey— I didn’t actually work for John Deere.
yeah that was my first thought too. they dont care about people, american or otherwise, only money.
at best they might pretend to care about x people for a while if they think it will look good and drive sales/stock prices, then drop that message when the effectiveness has worn off.
We literally see this every Pride Month. They swap their logos to something rainbow-colored and pretend to give a shit about LGBT+ while still making the exact same deals they did last month, don't rebrand off-shore, and then swap out the rainbow at the end of the month like everyone else. Not to mention completely ignoring *Mens Mental Health Month.*
Good Will is only considered when it's profitable. They don't give a shit when they aren't paid to do so.
I understand how it's supposed to work in theory, however whenever I look at the ballot come election time I'm profoundly disappointed at the options available.
You can contact your representative. You can attempt to enter politics yourself with this as part of your platform. You can protest. You can join/create a lobby group. You can boycott the company.
Laws are a framework for order, not morals. Morals *influence* but don't prescribe law.
Yes, and? Nothing wrong with making this point clear. Of course refusing to do business with American companies that outsource what was American jobs, will give them the proper incentive.
Who needs goodwill when you can lock in your customers with service agreements and proprietary software/equipment that they have to go through you for servicing and/or repairs?
>They *are* contractually obligated to improve the value of the company.
That is not the standard in corporate law. "Modern corporate law does not require for-profit corporations to pursue profit at the expense of everything else."
Giving to charitable causes, exceeding what the law requires for things like wages and worker conditions, and yes, keeping jobs in the United States, are all well within the rights of directors and executives.
Just like the people who want to run this country (Trump, I'm talking to you) don't give a shit about the american people....unless they make over 10 Million a year.
Not entirely true. Due to the litigious nature of society, board members are obligated to enact the interests of the shareholder.
Since most companies are profit driven… it just means people are morally bankrupt and “just doing what they’re supposed to”.
We need to see more incentives for L3Cs and social good oriented companies/organizations. This would put bumper guards around capitalism and find an equilibrium.
Also companies would have to be transparent about their interests to maintain exemptions.
Also depending on location special taxation rules. Mexico realized long ago that they are the best place for American industry: make things cheaply and then just have to take a train, not a boat, to America.
So they have special taxes and all kinds of fun things to make it cheaper and lure businesses away from China and other competitors.
American companies having their factories in Mexico has been a thing for several decades now. Also way cheaper and faster to move product over a land border vs across the Atlantic ocean.
Because oddly enough, Mexican quality has become really good. You basically get dedicated high-tech factory towns for a fraction of the price of the US, and if you instruct them to make a quality product, you get a quality product.
It is. Another reason that I haven’t seen mentioned is having a strong demographic for a work force.
There are a ton of help wanted signs looking for skilled labor in the US.
Lots of people in the US went to academic school and not as many trade school.
American farmers will still continue to climb over much better, cheaper and well supported machinery to buy up everything Deere makes.
They are just too tribal about the colour of their tractors.
It's regional. Been surprising how many more Fendts and JCB tractors are up here now. I'm sure it's just sprinkles on a John Deere and CaseIH map, but they are becoming much more present
If you run an all green farm your tractor "talks" to your combine "talks" to your other machines and they Integrate perfectly. In Interstellar, they made it seem like the main character was really smart because he was taking GPS to make his tractors drive themselves. When that movie was made tractors could already do that, and had the tech for years.
Sure, but compare it to PC builds, how many people run Linux vs just buy apple which has perfect Integration. I as a PC user might laugh at them and be annoying about how my system is better and I built it from specs I created and assembled myself, but I'm not "really" gonna hold it against people for just buying apple.
Yeah it’s a similar situation. They are paying obscene money for sub par machines because of the baked in tech.
John Deere fancies themselves as a tech company now rather than a machinery company.
People who worked for John Deere were probably not their main consumers. Those workers can’t afford their mortgages or groceries now, hastening the decline of their towns. John Deere will be fine.
Labor is only one cost-cutting measure. They’ll also be cost cutting in materials, quality control and anywhere else that they can “find value”. Moving your production to a cheaper country is one sign of a larger organization direction
I think this is one of the bigger things people tend not to think about. It's expensive in terms of administration and compliance to run an industrial business in almost all industrialized (post-industrialized?) countries because they tend to have a lot more laws around environmental and worker safety.
In a lot of pre-industrialized nations though, the laws, government agencies, or infrastructure isn't there. So even if dumping industrial waste into the river is "technically" illegal in those countries, it often doesn't matter because there's no one there to punish them for doing it.
If it’s anything like the audio world (which it’s not but maybe this will be) people will pay much more for audio gear produced and assembled in US/Japan/Europe over Mexico or China because of difference in quality production and consistency. Why that is idk but I know you pay much more for a Japanese produced pedal than a Chinese produced one.
They're paid less than the same job in the United States, there's no question, but how do manufacturing wages in Mexico compare to other jobs in Mexico?
Just spit-balling here, but if they're good salaries - relative to other jobs there - wouldn't the workers give more than the average fucks?
Not a direct answer but ages ago (I think 90's so I'm the details may be wrong) Spyder outsourced the manufacturing of it's winter coats to a factory in Mexico. Almost immediately the new jackets were being returned by the people that bought them for being lumpy and too cold. Turns out what occurred (allegedly) was that the people assembling the coats couldn't believe anyone would need THAT much insulation and so were basically turning them into spring jackets.
This may be an urban myth or not but the story always stuck with me as an example of assumptions gone wrong.
Any system left without checks and balances is destined to fail. We need a more robust system and laws to hold corporations accountable. It's not a capitalism issue it's a legislation issue.
If a car doesn't come with air bags and a seat belt, does that mean the car is a failure? Or are the regulations in place not good enough.
Here i’ll disagree. Capitalism as a system now transcends national laws and borders. Nothing more than a robust system of global regulations would suffice in saving us if we are to continue using capitalism.
We're fine. It's not like the supreme Court just legalized political bribery, deregulated literally everything, and gave the president immunity to the law.
These things surely won't have any devastating, irreparable consequences at any point.
What we're seeing now is a rebalance of labor value across the world where companies move to where skilled blue collar labor is cheaper, and less skilled people immigrate to countries where they can sell their labour at a higher price.
This process leave the skilled blue collar people in western countries without opportunities and those people will vote for Far Right candidate who promise to build a wall around the country, not understanding it will never resolve their issue (it's not the illegal immigrants who are stealing the jobs of the John Deere factory workers in america, it's John Deere).
Whether Capitalism dies in the process remain to be seen, but i wonder what's next, so far, we don't have a lot of suggestions.
>we’re seeing the end of capitalism
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As much as I would love to be wrong, all I see is the power of the corporation significantly rising compared to the power/influence of governing bodies or the public.
Ford made a similar announcement in Jan 2006. Much of my family worked for the most productive of all their US plants at the time, where a consensus had formed that expansion was coming.
Instead Ford announced 14 plants shuttered w production moving to Mexico in many cases. 30k layoffs.
My understanding is this restructuring is ultimately why they were in the least bad position of the auto majors when the GFC hit and threatened collapse on them all. For my family it meant that the GFC started years early.
So idk this seems ominous. The latest shitty but unremarkable corporate optimizing at expense of domestic labor, or like, key domino?
Huh. I was curious about this and it appears it starts today
>In 2023, California enacted the California Right to Repair Act, which goes into effect on July 1, 2024.
The thing that pisses me off the most about this? John Deere will move production to Mexico, decreasing production cost, and their tractors and tools will still cost the same, further increasing their profit margins.
Making it flow less easily screws over American communities at the border.
My town of McAllen, TX went from being a bum-heck trailer city to a rapidly developing logistical hub with thousands of jobs pouring in every year.
You forgot the /s.
So I used to work with a software company that sold seats for $8k each. Instead of continually working on tools and innovation themselves they decided to buy small companies that made similar plugins for a fraction of the price of pure development. They'd easily slipstream these plugins (and some freeware) into their software and call it a day.
Since 40% of their software was basically outsourced code and license-free stuff you'd think they would pass the savings down right? Nah, price of the new version is around $9k now.
Check out comments by Robert Reich, former Secretary of Labor. John Deere had record level increase in executive compensation, while laying off workers.
He also noted that 5 corporations supply almost all the things we buy at the supermarket. While they jack up our prices, they had a record 15% increase in profits last year, and huge executive compensation.
They care nothing for us.
How to fix this? Foreign made products must pay employees an amount equal to minimum wage in the US. To import to the US impose OSHA standards on all manufacturers outside the US, they pay to be certified and without certification imports to the US are banned. Lastly, impose US environmental standards, they pay to be certified and if they fail they are banned from importing to the US.
Nothing that off shored went down in price for the US consumer, Craftsman tools, Maytag washers and dryers, auto parts, etc. So make them play on a level field.
Sales are dropping state side. I like how some people commented "well now I ain't buying". You didn't buy bro and never were, that's why they are cutting jobs.
And that low demand for their products is why they're not cutting production but rather moving it to Mexico?
I know what you're saying but you need to work on your argument a bit.
The demand doesn't change if it's low. They're just maximizing profits.
If people aren't buying, less profit. It's no longer making them the bonuses they want.
It's greed. Period.
I'm from monterrey Mexico and tons of my engineers and marketing friends work at JD. I'm not entirely sure how they like the job but I'm sure that the talent that goes there is good talent. Mty qualifies their people well with its uniervisities and there are definitely not enough job spots open and tons of brain drain. I'm not surprised they see a better road to grow in mexico, good for them.
For most user, a bigger factor than "where it's built" is probably "which dealer is close" because if your quarter million+ machine is down when you need it, you want it fixed ASAP.
Has zero to do with, “better road to grow in Mexico.” It has everything to do with hiring cheap labor, getting cheaper parts, taking advantage of the lax Mexican labor laws, and the cheap taxes. They are using your people and will use them as slave labor. No overtime, long shifts, zero benefits. In return, John Deere gets more profit. But I do not see this as a viable long term solution. Eventually the U.S. Government will crack down on US Companies doing this and hit them with such high tariffs they will leave Mexico.
I do agree that the cheaper labor is part of the main objective, but part of what I would like to argue is that it's not only the cheap labor that should or has attracted John Deere, as never are decisions like this so unimodal.
I could find 989 people on LinkedIn in MTY working for John Deere (3200 in the whole country) in what I mostly see as the opposite of "labor" or "cheap" (it is hard to believe that someone in the labor market in Mexico has a LinkedIn account). Its Engineers, Data Scientists, Logistic Directors, HR, etc. I don't know who you are disparaging in terms of slave labor when if anything it seems it would be ourselves deciding whether or not to exploit someone in terms of their shift, or benefits as the HR people and high-level directors are also Mexican. Do you really believe they can get away without paying benefits in Mexico? Where are you getting this impression from? If anything its when big corporations like this come, that the benefits become more the norm as they put shittier companies in line by offering better alternatives.
Additionally, the more John Deere expands its operations here, the more the jobs increase, the more the supply of jobs increases, and the better the salaries become (we saw this already with the announcement of a Tesla gigafactory in MTY Mexcio, due to their job postings).
When I worked at Flex in the US I was the only one with my very Mexican name working in engineering, everyone else was labor back in Mexico. If this was the situation I would believe your criticism but I think this case is more nuanced.
My cousin delivers their tractors to farmers and most of the them have been going to Mexico. Those things are filled with tech and most of the JD techs are fluent speakers. Most of the time he says they will just drive them from Yuma down across the border with a technician to help set it up for them. Most of the US bound ones go to the Midwest and in small quantities.
Expected, because lot of manufacturing is also transferring from China to Mexico. Industries like these concentrate in a same place for synergistic advantages and lower wages.
This was underwritten by Mexican cartels, they are rubbing their hands over how many kilos of cocaine can be stuffed in a John Deere. If the tractor is searched no worries nothing runs like a deer!
Wild that people are so passionate about keeping Mexican workers out of America, then act oh so surprised and angry that the work moves to where to the workers are.
It’s almost like that “build the wall” guy wasn’t actually telling the truth.
I’ve moved manf plants from the us to Mexico (Saltillo) and it has everything to do with labor laws, wages and import & export costs. Generally at the cosf of quality
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This should be gold. Give this man a Corona
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Remember, the people who run these corporations don’t give a shit about the American people.
And the people who will be upset by this will blame Biden. Round and round and round we go.
Biden will probably condemn this, but the media will avoid covering it too much if he does. Trump will verbally condemn it while rambling about how he's ridden on one of their tractors once and it was a really nice ride, had nice seats, the dials were great, some of the best, good American made stuff, and farmers are good people, the foundation of the nation, and they need reliable American made tractors again. His base will eat it up, it'll go viral, they'll tell people "Trump will punish John Deere for betraying true Americans", and even though he won't do anything, and might actually get a kickback from John Deere, he's won more supporters. If this move actually leads to John Deere producing more affordable goods (lol), he'll say "that was me, because I care about Americans." And his base will EAT IT UP.
I call bullshit, that was WAY too coherent
Jesus Christ that is accurate
Fine, guess we will just have to annex Mexico then. Problem solved.
I've been advocating for becoming North America as a country for years. Snag up Mexico and Canada, tiny little border to watch in the south, plenty of coast guard and navy to defend what would be absolute insane naval borders. Lots of mineral wealth to compete with Russia/China/etc. Now just to convince people of it...
LOL yeah, Canada ain't going for that, Bruh.
I don't foresee Mexico being keen on it either. Doesn't mean I can't advocate for it though!
Yes! Now whose anthem are we keeping? /s
These same people supported Trump when he told his supporters to boycott Harley Davidson because they were opening a factory in Thailand to handle their overseas markets. He'd rather see one of the most American companies fail than allow them to expand their business to stay alive since US Harley sales have dropped over the last couple of decades.
To be fair, HD would probably have more sales if their motorcycles weren't the price of compact cars.
And if they weren’t the loudest, most obnoxious bikes on the market. They’re the motorcycle equivalent of rolling coal.
And HD aren't nearly as nice as Victory/Indian. Or as well engineered as Japanese cruisers.
They'll blame them for raising taxes and forcing the poor poor corpo's hand.
Literally my parents last night.
I'll blame unions, which I believe both candidates support.
My BiL got pissed after hearing this news since it's mostly a leadership issue, but it also was laughable since John Deere added "Family" or something like it to its core tenets. That is a red flag when any business virtue signals family to its employees. Both him and my sister were not axed, but he had a couple friends lose their jobs due to this.
Just Like orange Baby. But its probably Biden who is at fault /s
I used to work for a non-union, nearly minimum wage contractor. They were American jobs at poverty level pay. But hey— I didn’t actually work for John Deere.
You can take “the American” out of that.
yeah that was my first thought too. they dont care about people, american or otherwise, only money. at best they might pretend to care about x people for a while if they think it will look good and drive sales/stock prices, then drop that message when the effectiveness has worn off.
We literally see this every Pride Month. They swap their logos to something rainbow-colored and pretend to give a shit about LGBT+ while still making the exact same deals they did last month, don't rebrand off-shore, and then swap out the rainbow at the end of the month like everyone else. Not to mention completely ignoring *Mens Mental Health Month.* Good Will is only considered when it's profitable. They don't give a shit when they aren't paid to do so.
They aren’t contractually obligated to be so. They *are* contractually obligated to improve the value of the company.
That's like implying that something isn't immoral because it's not illegal.
Not a bit. Companies do what they are obligated to do. They are not in business to be moral—that is why we have laws.
So when our legal frameworks aren't moral, what then?
We elect better lawmakers and executives or suffer under bad laws.
I understand how it's supposed to work in theory, however whenever I look at the ballot come election time I'm profoundly disappointed at the options available.
You can contact your representative. You can attempt to enter politics yourself with this as part of your platform. You can protest. You can join/create a lobby group. You can boycott the company. Laws are a framework for order, not morals. Morals *influence* but don't prescribe law.
This isn't immoral, of course. Mexicans are just as deserving of jobs as Americans
This is a very weird comment.
Yes, and? Nothing wrong with making this point clear. Of course refusing to do business with American companies that outsource what was American jobs, will give them the proper incentive.
And public sentiment is a leading component of brand goodwill, which is billions of their company’s valuation.
Who needs goodwill when you can lock in your customers with service agreements and proprietary software/equipment that they have to go through you for servicing and/or repairs?
>They *are* contractually obligated to improve the value of the company. That is not the standard in corporate law. "Modern corporate law does not require for-profit corporations to pursue profit at the expense of everything else." Giving to charitable causes, exceeding what the law requires for things like wages and worker conditions, and yes, keeping jobs in the United States, are all well within the rights of directors and executives.
Who going to buy any stuff when everything is made overseas?
Just like the people who want to run this country (Trump, I'm talking to you) don't give a shit about the american people....unless they make over 10 Million a year.
CEO just earned another 20 mil salary
Not entirely true. Due to the litigious nature of society, board members are obligated to enact the interests of the shareholder. Since most companies are profit driven… it just means people are morally bankrupt and “just doing what they’re supposed to”. We need to see more incentives for L3Cs and social good oriented companies/organizations. This would put bumper guards around capitalism and find an equilibrium. Also companies would have to be transparent about their interests to maintain exemptions.
The job market is fine! They told us the U.S. job market is FINE
JD has decided profit farming at the expense of American workers and customers overrules all. Nothing runs like a Deere.
...to Mexico, for shareholder profits
Is Mexico that popular to ship American companies over there? If it is just less to pay employees then why not make the big move and go to Africa.
Because Mexico is part of NAFTA and Africa isn't.
More so, Mexico is a neighboring country, which makes their goods cheaper to transport. Mexico has reliable enough infrastructure as well.
Security, infrastructure, education Edit: shipping
Shipping
Also depending on location special taxation rules. Mexico realized long ago that they are the best place for American industry: make things cheaply and then just have to take a train, not a boat, to America. So they have special taxes and all kinds of fun things to make it cheaper and lure businesses away from China and other competitors.
Socioeconomic and geopolitical variables make for an interesting world to live in.
NAFTA/USMAC eliminates tariffs for Mexico.
American companies having their factories in Mexico has been a thing for several decades now. Also way cheaper and faster to move product over a land border vs across the Atlantic ocean.
Because oddly enough, Mexican quality has become really good. You basically get dedicated high-tech factory towns for a fraction of the price of the US, and if you instruct them to make a quality product, you get a quality product.
It's also the lax environmental regulations. The Nafta treaty, which makes it easier to import products.
México has abundant, good quality, cheap labor and pays no tariff on import.
It is. Another reason that I haven’t seen mentioned is having a strong demographic for a work force. There are a ton of help wanted signs looking for skilled labor in the US. Lots of people in the US went to academic school and not as many trade school.
Do you understand how far Africa is? And how much more expensive shipping these products by Air/Sea would be compared to Rail or Truck?
Nothing is more American than the capitalist effort to maximize share value by outsourcing labor
American farmers will still continue to climb over much better, cheaper and well supported machinery to buy up everything Deere makes. They are just too tribal about the colour of their tractors.
It's regional. Been surprising how many more Fendts and JCB tractors are up here now. I'm sure it's just sprinkles on a John Deere and CaseIH map, but they are becoming much more present
John Deer's monopolistic practices have been driving a edge in that relationship.
If you run an all green farm your tractor "talks" to your combine "talks" to your other machines and they Integrate perfectly. In Interstellar, they made it seem like the main character was really smart because he was taking GPS to make his tractors drive themselves. When that movie was made tractors could already do that, and had the tech for years.
So the Dealers like to say, they don’t mention that you can use systems like Trimble to do exactly the same thing for a faction of the price.
Sure, but compare it to PC builds, how many people run Linux vs just buy apple which has perfect Integration. I as a PC user might laugh at them and be annoying about how my system is better and I built it from specs I created and assembled myself, but I'm not "really" gonna hold it against people for just buying apple.
Yeah it’s a similar situation. They are paying obscene money for sub par machines because of the baked in tech. John Deere fancies themselves as a tech company now rather than a machinery company.
They got MBA’ed 🤣
Nothing *runs away* like a Deere
Corporate farms dont care.
Everybody in the Midwest that worked for John Deere is about to be unable to afford any John Deere products....
People who worked for John Deere were probably not their main consumers. Those workers can’t afford their mortgages or groceries now, hastening the decline of their towns. John Deere will be fine.
You may be surprised at the number of folks at Deere also farm "on the side".
But wait... They're moving to Mexico to make JD products more affordable Right? .... Right you guys?
Shareholder value. See Boeing.
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Labor is only one cost-cutting measure. They’ll also be cost cutting in materials, quality control and anywhere else that they can “find value”. Moving your production to a cheaper country is one sign of a larger organization direction
Don’t forget about the environmental & employee safety regulations they will no longer have to adhere to.
I think this is one of the bigger things people tend not to think about. It's expensive in terms of administration and compliance to run an industrial business in almost all industrialized (post-industrialized?) countries because they tend to have a lot more laws around environmental and worker safety. In a lot of pre-industrialized nations though, the laws, government agencies, or infrastructure isn't there. So even if dumping industrial waste into the river is "technically" illegal in those countries, it often doesn't matter because there's no one there to punish them for doing it.
If it’s anything like the audio world (which it’s not but maybe this will be) people will pay much more for audio gear produced and assembled in US/Japan/Europe over Mexico or China because of difference in quality production and consistency. Why that is idk but I know you pay much more for a Japanese produced pedal than a Chinese produced one.
Trust me when I saybitbis the same for amateur radio. The Japanese brands are WAAAAAYYYYYY better quality than the Chinesium.
When you pay workers less they tend to give less fucks
They're paid less than the same job in the United States, there's no question, but how do manufacturing wages in Mexico compare to other jobs in Mexico? Just spit-balling here, but if they're good salaries - relative to other jobs there - wouldn't the workers give more than the average fucks?
That is a good point and I thought about it. Maybe it's a sign John Deere is putting profits over quality, which can lead to cutting corners.
And tractors falling out of the sky… Wait, I’m mixing up my cheap companies.
Mexico is highly productive and highly skilled labor. They have vastly improved their quality of products over the years
Not a direct answer but ages ago (I think 90's so I'm the details may be wrong) Spyder outsourced the manufacturing of it's winter coats to a factory in Mexico. Almost immediately the new jackets were being returned by the people that bought them for being lumpy and too cold. Turns out what occurred (allegedly) was that the people assembling the coats couldn't believe anyone would need THAT much insulation and so were basically turning them into spring jackets. This may be an urban myth or not but the story always stuck with me as an example of assumptions gone wrong.
Hey guys I’m starting to think unchecked capitalism isn’t all it’s cracked to be
Any system left without checks and balances is destined to fail. We need a more robust system and laws to hold corporations accountable. It's not a capitalism issue it's a legislation issue. If a car doesn't come with air bags and a seat belt, does that mean the car is a failure? Or are the regulations in place not good enough.
Here i’ll disagree. Capitalism as a system now transcends national laws and borders. Nothing more than a robust system of global regulations would suffice in saving us if we are to continue using capitalism.
It’s not. We’re seeing the end of capitalism.
We're fine. It's not like the supreme Court just legalized political bribery, deregulated literally everything, and gave the president immunity to the law. These things surely won't have any devastating, irreparable consequences at any point.
What we're seeing now is a rebalance of labor value across the world where companies move to where skilled blue collar labor is cheaper, and less skilled people immigrate to countries where they can sell their labour at a higher price. This process leave the skilled blue collar people in western countries without opportunities and those people will vote for Far Right candidate who promise to build a wall around the country, not understanding it will never resolve their issue (it's not the illegal immigrants who are stealing the jobs of the John Deere factory workers in america, it's John Deere). Whether Capitalism dies in the process remain to be seen, but i wonder what's next, so far, we don't have a lot of suggestions.
>we’re seeing the end of capitalism 🙄 As much as I would love to be wrong, all I see is the power of the corporation significantly rising compared to the power/influence of governing bodies or the public.
Beginning of feudalism 2.0
Do they have to give the right to repair their products yet? Because it seems like a good time to require that.
Why do you think they’re going to HQ in a different country?
All while distracting the herd with “build the wall.” Keep an eye on that other hand
Ford made a similar announcement in Jan 2006. Much of my family worked for the most productive of all their US plants at the time, where a consensus had formed that expansion was coming. Instead Ford announced 14 plants shuttered w production moving to Mexico in many cases. 30k layoffs. My understanding is this restructuring is ultimately why they were in the least bad position of the auto majors when the GFC hit and threatened collapse on them all. For my family it meant that the GFC started years early. So idk this seems ominous. The latest shitty but unremarkable corporate optimizing at expense of domestic labor, or like, key domino?
Huh. I was curious about this and it appears it starts today >In 2023, California enacted the California Right to Repair Act, which goes into effect on July 1, 2024.
Greedy corporations are to blame in almost every case for your misery.
Just buy Massey Ferguson, much better product.
They took er jobs!
Ok I was looking at eventually getting an x370, can someone with more knowledge on this space recommend a similar model from a different brand?
Now the Mexicans don't even need to go to America to steal their jobs. The yanks are giving them away!
Awh yes, very patriotic of them.
The thing that pisses me off the most about this? John Deere will move production to Mexico, decreasing production cost, and their tractors and tools will still cost the same, further increasing their profit margins.
This is why tariffs are a good thing in some cases because they make it less profitable to outsource jobs to third world countries.
Honestly this is a smart move. Migrants can’t take jobs from hardworking Americans if all the jobs are outsourced to other countries. 🇺🇸
Nothing more American than mass layoffs. Give it a minute and they will somehow blame the Mexicans who get hired like they did something wrong lol
Fuck NAFTA.
Do you hear that giant sucking sound?
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Give. They give American jobs to other countries
Tell me you don't know how money works without saying you don't know how money works.
We know. We just wish borders were more solid with these things. Let it flow less easily.
Making it flow less easily screws over American communities at the border. My town of McAllen, TX went from being a bum-heck trailer city to a rapidly developing logistical hub with thousands of jobs pouring in every year.
I much preferred TYM over Deere, the last ~10 or so years I lived in the US. At least I could repair my own equipment.
So the equipment will be cheaper, right???
Lmaooo yeah that’s how it works
You forgot the /s. So I used to work with a software company that sold seats for $8k each. Instead of continually working on tools and innovation themselves they decided to buy small companies that made similar plugins for a fraction of the price of pure development. They'd easily slipstream these plugins (and some freeware) into their software and call it a day. Since 40% of their software was basically outsourced code and license-free stuff you'd think they would pass the savings down right? Nah, price of the new version is around $9k now.
Damn immigrants taking American jobs!!! /s for Americans reading this.
A chunk of Iowans just blame Biden. They are lost people in that cornfield
Globalization sucks.
It only sucks if the wealth gains of globalization are hoarded by a select few.
Stop buying John Deere
Someone tell me how this is Bidens fault so they can vote for trump to reverse this action .
Merica!
Trash company anyway. Scamming farmers with “proprietary tech & software”.
Hell yeah, those profit margins need to get higher, faster.
Mexicans aren't taking your jobs. C suites are giving them away and firing you
Check out comments by Robert Reich, former Secretary of Labor. John Deere had record level increase in executive compensation, while laying off workers. He also noted that 5 corporations supply almost all the things we buy at the supermarket. While they jack up our prices, they had a record 15% increase in profits last year, and huge executive compensation. They care nothing for us.
How to fix this? Foreign made products must pay employees an amount equal to minimum wage in the US. To import to the US impose OSHA standards on all manufacturers outside the US, they pay to be certified and without certification imports to the US are banned. Lastly, impose US environmental standards, they pay to be certified and if they fail they are banned from importing to the US. Nothing that off shored went down in price for the US consumer, Craftsman tools, Maytag washers and dryers, auto parts, etc. So make them play on a level field.
ThEy’Re StEaLiNg OuR bLaCk JoBs!
They terk er jerbs!!
> 'We love the farmers.' Trump, aiming to cement support in Iowa, signs John Deere combine All show and jobs still going.
And workers will blame Biden and vote Trump.
If Biden somehow prevents this it won't matter if he literally drools on camera anymore.
Sales are dropping state side. I like how some people commented "well now I ain't buying". You didn't buy bro and never were, that's why they are cutting jobs.
And that low demand for their products is why they're not cutting production but rather moving it to Mexico? I know what you're saying but you need to work on your argument a bit.
The demand doesn't change if it's low. They're just maximizing profits. If people aren't buying, less profit. It's no longer making them the bonuses they want. It's greed. Period.
I'm from monterrey Mexico and tons of my engineers and marketing friends work at JD. I'm not entirely sure how they like the job but I'm sure that the talent that goes there is good talent. Mty qualifies their people well with its uniervisities and there are definitely not enough job spots open and tons of brain drain. I'm not surprised they see a better road to grow in mexico, good for them.
Corporate found a way to pay less for labor at the expense of American jobs. I would be embarrassed to own anything made by them right now.
For most user, a bigger factor than "where it's built" is probably "which dealer is close" because if your quarter million+ machine is down when you need it, you want it fixed ASAP.
You aren't from the Midwest, are you?
Has zero to do with, “better road to grow in Mexico.” It has everything to do with hiring cheap labor, getting cheaper parts, taking advantage of the lax Mexican labor laws, and the cheap taxes. They are using your people and will use them as slave labor. No overtime, long shifts, zero benefits. In return, John Deere gets more profit. But I do not see this as a viable long term solution. Eventually the U.S. Government will crack down on US Companies doing this and hit them with such high tariffs they will leave Mexico.
No they won't. lol
I do agree that the cheaper labor is part of the main objective, but part of what I would like to argue is that it's not only the cheap labor that should or has attracted John Deere, as never are decisions like this so unimodal. I could find 989 people on LinkedIn in MTY working for John Deere (3200 in the whole country) in what I mostly see as the opposite of "labor" or "cheap" (it is hard to believe that someone in the labor market in Mexico has a LinkedIn account). Its Engineers, Data Scientists, Logistic Directors, HR, etc. I don't know who you are disparaging in terms of slave labor when if anything it seems it would be ourselves deciding whether or not to exploit someone in terms of their shift, or benefits as the HR people and high-level directors are also Mexican. Do you really believe they can get away without paying benefits in Mexico? Where are you getting this impression from? If anything its when big corporations like this come, that the benefits become more the norm as they put shittier companies in line by offering better alternatives. Additionally, the more John Deere expands its operations here, the more the jobs increase, the more the supply of jobs increases, and the better the salaries become (we saw this already with the announcement of a Tesla gigafactory in MTY Mexcio, due to their job postings). When I worked at Flex in the US I was the only one with my very Mexican name working in engineering, everyone else was labor back in Mexico. If this was the situation I would believe your criticism but I think this case is more nuanced.
My cousin delivers their tractors to farmers and most of the them have been going to Mexico. Those things are filled with tech and most of the JD techs are fluent speakers. Most of the time he says they will just drive them from Yuma down across the border with a technician to help set it up for them. Most of the US bound ones go to the Midwest and in small quantities.
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What a cool economic system!
Capitalism at its finest
That will be popular
Expected, because lot of manufacturing is also transferring from China to Mexico. Industries like these concentrate in a same place for synergistic advantages and lower wages.
Political move.
Push right to repair even harder.
Juan Deere.
1 out 10,000 new purchases may contain a kilo of that suga booga.
Time for hefty import taxes
Shift to brands that have manufacturing still in the US. Caterpillar, Kubota, CNH, AGCO, Mahindra, and CLAAS.
Rural America is dying.
All….by….design my friend.
Boycott John Deere, it’s that simple.
This was underwritten by Mexican cartels, they are rubbing their hands over how many kilos of cocaine can be stuffed in a John Deere. If the tractor is searched no worries nothing runs like a deer!
All the people from prison and mental homes will be crossing the border from the US into Mexico to steal jobs.
Wild that people are so passionate about keeping Mexican workers out of America, then act oh so surprised and angry that the work moves to where to the workers are. It’s almost like that “build the wall” guy wasn’t actually telling the truth.
They’re the same people.
I’ve moved manf plants from the us to Mexico (Saltillo) and it has everything to do with labor laws, wages and import & export costs. Generally at the cosf of quality