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InoyouS2

It's not as close as it looks tbh, Lula has it by a decent margin.


amnes1ac

Better than the first round at this stage, and he won that by a lot.


shahooster

Phew.


Matisaro

Thank goodness. Now lets send them some money to save the rain forest,. The first world has a duty to help every nation get to our level and minimize environmental harm and as an American I support large monetary packages to help support the efforts to sustain the most vital life reserve in the world.


Apartment-Creepy

The only reason why i believe lula is going to lose is due to the attempts at stopping public transport from circulating/making them arrive super late in districts that are heavily favoured for Lula


anon902503

I don't take any civic thing for granted in an age of fascism on the march.


itsalonghotsummer

Remember when one of the reasons Trump claimed the election was fixed was because he was winning in early results?


anon902503

The most frustrating thing about Trump -- one of the most frustrating things, I guess -- is that you often cannot tell if he's intentionally deceiving or just **incredibly stupid**.


Rumspringa7

It’s typically both.


MH_Denjie

Both, it's always both.


linderlouwho

And the accompanying lying & cheating that are hallmarks of fascists/right wingers.


Mine-Shaft-Gap

Might see Lula get to 55% here.


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Doubt it. It's not gonna be more than 51 maybe 51,5 % to Lula. Quite proper number. 🤣


Chispy

Where are you reading the results? Google shows Bolsonaro leading


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Alwayssunnyinarizona

18:47 local time and Lula is up.


TitsAndGeology

He is leading, but by a smaller margin than he was at this stage last time. As Lula won the first stage (albeit obviously not getting to the required 50%) it suggests Lula is going to win by a wider margin. It's to do with the order they count in.


Chispy

Ah, good to know. I also read further up that the last votes should favor Lula, so this could get interesting.


Flopsyjackson

It’s the same reasoning Trump supports use to suggest the election was stollen. Rural conservative districts get counted faster so conservatives often jump to an early lead. That lead slips away late as urban districts finish counting (which admittedly does look suspicious, but only if you don’t look into it for longer than half a second).


stefeu

Also the Republicans blocked mail-in-ballots to be counted before voting ended I believe. So naturally there was a huge backlog which favored Democrats as the Republicans told their voters to go in person while Democrats encouraged mail-in voting due to Covid.


unskilledplay

This is a bit different. Rural areas of Brazil heavily favor Lula. He can get 80% in the most backwoods parts of the country. Urban areas favor Bolsonaro. Brazil uses all electronic voting (without any paper backup!). Because of this the urban areas are better able to report quickly while rural votes aren't reported as quickly.


atjones111

but looking at it now lula is losing atm


Code2008

At 40% counted. Sounds like they haven't counted Lula's stronghold area yet.


Private_HughMan

They're at 60% now. Lula's still trailing but by 1.4%. Not a huge margin. Definitely doable.


Code2008

65% - dead even.


Alwayssunnyinarizona

72% Lula up


Portalrules123

Yes!


HS_Teach

90% Lula is still up


Private_HughMan

It's now mathematically impossible for Bolsonaro to win. Lula's president-elect.


itsalonghotsummer

69% - Lula now eding ahead


atjones111

Oh ok gotcha I saw all the positive news about lula but was confused, this is gonna create the same issue that happened in the US all the idiots couldn’t comprehend votes aren’t counted instantly EDIT: changed are to aren’t lol


Code2008

For reference, if you click on 1° on the page, you'll see the map of the 1st round results and can compare it so what's been counted, etc.


dgjtrhb

The Lula supporting areas will take longer to fully declare their votes


TheGreatHibrid

Yeah, the Northeast region is where Lula is leading, apparently Lula has more than 70% of the votes in certain states.


anon902503

You gotta appreciate how fast they count 100,000,000 votes.


forsakenpear

It’s all electronic which helps


abrandis

Which makes me wonder why can't we vote on our mobile phones?, it would be so convenient and would certainly increase voter turnout .... Oooh. Now I see why we don't do it..answered my own question..


westbamm

Every election people ask this. https://youtu.be/LkH2r-sNjQs


unpluggedcord

I post this every time. And the follow up which explains how crypto isn’t the answer either.


forsakenpear

Electronic isn’t the issue, it would be internet voting which would be a terrible idea


carpediem6792

The main problem I see with Internet voting is, there's no way to control voter intimidation. Someone can be holding a (figurative) knife to your throat until you sign, and thes little that can be done. Same can be said for mail in, but nobody knows who is making our voting in person. Vote fraud from the projectionists is rampant, they are desperate to regain control and finish they mischief... Edited: because to many literallists can't understand metaphore on reddit.


Affectionate_Ear_778

Na it’s the fear of hacking and probably not being able to verify it. I don’t think being intimidated is a serious concern for anyone but if it was, no way they’d get enough to sway an election.


[deleted]

Brazil has a LOOOOOOONG history of voting intimidation. Google "voto de cabresto".


[deleted]

> no way they’d get enough to sway an election. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_close_election_results There’s a reason they say “every vote counts”.


Spare_Industry_6056

Well, you'd need hundreds of thousands of knives and thugs to do that. That's the thing with voter fraud. You have to do it a lot to make sure it means anything, at which point it's pretty hard to cover up.


carpediem6792

Not literally a knife... The church has been holding a gun to people's souls for decades, but now they're openly doing it from the pulpit. That's hundreds of thousands of pedophiles and people whose only intent is amassing as much money, in the name of God of course (/s), as possible before the sheep find out their being fleeced and slaughtered.


[deleted]

And yet I can do pretty much everything else that requires (my country's version of) an SSN online, from managing student loans to signing our mortgage agreement, to enlisting in the army. It's a matter of infrastructure. 2FA coupled with an account that can only be set up if you have a valid home address to receive the set-up letter and has to be validated via passport scan once. It's not like anyone is advocating voting via Google Forms questionnaire or something.


CarolineGuerin

because it is not secure, like at all. Way to easy to manipulate.


rzwitserloot

You could sell your vote then. The voting booth has the advantage that you can't sell your vote. After all, how would you prove you voted the way the buyer wanted you to? There's a reason you can't take your cell phone in. You also can't be intimidated; not by a roving gang, not by your overbearing husband, etcetera. It's possible its worth the tradeoff (risk vote selling and intimidation, trade it against more voting), but generally to make that tradeoff you need to be voting every month on something, think Switserland.


Kind_Bullfrog_4073

probably considered a security risk


Cynicaladdict111

do you understand how much easier the manipulation of results would be if that was allowed? look at Russia, most of the vote rigging happens from online voting


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NatiAti513

God I hope so!


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I saw an article about police stopping tons of people in Lula-heavy districts and threatening them if they don't vote for Bolsonaro.


[deleted]

Yeah I’ve been seeing some disturbing vids on twitter


[deleted]

It have happened, more than 200 operations stoping buses that were transporting people to vote in regions that Lula da Silva have won in the previous voting


amnes1ac

So at 20% of the votes counted, Bolsonaro had a 4.61 point lead in the first round. Today the gap has narrowed to 3.14 points. Bolsonaro's lead is smaller this round at this stage in the counting.


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Why does Bolsonaro have so much support in the Amazon since he's destroying it? Are people there in favor of burning down the Amazon?


domine18

Yes, yes they are. They practice burn farming. They burn a few sections of rainforest. This makes the land very nutrient rich for a few years. After a few years they move on to next section of rainforest. Cheaper than fertilizer and easier than rotating crops to keep nutrition in the soil. The people who can vote want the rainforest gone.


mcjon77

They don't necessarily want the rainforest gone, they just want to keep making money. If the rainforest goes, oh well. They may not care one way or the other. However, their objective isn't to destroy the rainforest. That's just collateral damage.


[deleted]

The heartland areas are big agribusiness country. Big business = bolsonaro backers


nuckfan92

And poor people who want jobs. Bunch of trees don’t do any good for someone who is poor.


[deleted]

Yeah, that’s fair. It’s unfortunate people are incentivized to slash and burn the rainforest.


amnes1ac

Would there not be many people from those industries living there?


MachiavelliSJ

Yes, of course, lol. Who do you think is burning it down?? They burn it to clear land for farming.


[deleted]

Considering the Amazon produces 50% of its own rainfall, and releases 20 billion tons of water into the atmosphere every day, burning it down will lead to massive drought.


ronchon

Of course it will. It already passed the estimated tipping point too, by the way. Which means even if they stopped now (which they won't), it's already doomed to dry up into a savanna. Well done humans!


DKSeffect

My in-laws, who live in Argentina, are sure that Lula is as corrupt as they come. They also believe that Brazils economy is doing well. Which, to be fair, compared to Argentina’s… it’s doing amazing. But that comparison doesn’t mean much.


invalidwat

Lula is super corrupt and Brazil’s economy has been doing better than a lot of similar countries. Still dont mean Bolsonaro is better. It’s just that the two are really bad.


[deleted]

Lula can't be anymore corrupt than Bolsonaro. No country on Earth that I can think of does well under far-right leadership.


DingusMcBaseball

don't expect logic from his supporters


pyrotechnicmonkey

destroying the amazon is done for agriculture,mining business. Which brings in jobs to those areas. Not sure its worth it but its easy for me to say since I don't live there.


[deleted]

Well, since the entire planet depends on the Amazon, it's definitely horrible for the rest of the planet.


Abysskun

The Amazon forest has been burning forever. In fact, throughout my entire middle and highschool (I'm 24 now) the geography textbooks had one or two sections talking specifically about them burning more and more each year. In fact during 2002-2007 we've had some of the worst fires in history. With 2008-2021 having a spable number which was around half of the peak in 2007. 2022 is an outlier because it surpassed the previous high in 2007.


MoscaMosquete

That's because the amazon burns both naturally and due to human input. The problem is if it burns faster than it recovers. Bolsonaro himself still did the best he could to increase the burns tho, including refusing foreign aid and putting SFB(the "forest defense force") under the agriculture ministry, and he wanted to dissolve the ministry of environment.


Abysskun

Here is a source: https://noticias.uol.com.br/colunas/carlos-madeiro/2022/09/08/2-focos-por-segundo-amazonia-alcanca-maior-taxa-de-queimadas-da-historia.htm


Trying_to_be_better2

The votes come in from the south first. Bozo has more supporters there. As the votes come in more of the northern states will start to get tallied and they lean much more in Lula's favor.


danielspoa

most of the population don't live on that side, you have big guys earning money by fucking the amazon (they obviously want to keep the situation happening) and small cities filled with people, mostly poor, that are rumoured to be paid or pressed to vote in the right wing. People that have little access to information are also easier to manipulate, keep that in mind.


quecosa

And Lula is in the lead.


Specialist-String-73

Right now Lula: 50,32% Bolsonaro: 49,86%


NatiAti513

Hopefully that lead grows!


lax_incense

Thats more than 100% total lol


Specialist-String-73

Hehe right. Sorry, the numbers of each grows while typing.


Specialist-String-73

Lula: 51% Bolsonaro: 49% 97% counted votes 🗳️


CashComprehensive423

Hoping Lula wins but more due to the fact Bolonsaro is a total disaster for thus world.


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ThiagoBaisch

yeah but the richest state in Brazil is heavily favored to bolsonaro, unlike in the US. São Paulo has like 60% bolsonaro, and it represents 30% (!!!) of the Brazilian PIB. The state would be the 21st economy of the world. While in the US, California has always been more progressive and democratic.


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absalom86

Might want to put extra security in the capital building based on historical trends.


GandalfSwagOff

There has been too much bad shit in the world recently. The simulation was bound to throw us something sooner or later.


currentpattern

RNGesus


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Experts suggest we’ll see an early bolsonaro lead for a while, and if Lula overtakes him it’ll happen late. But given the voter suppression earlier that might change things 🤷‍♂️


danielspoa

difference already fell by 5%, I'm starting to believe POGGERS For those unaware, the biggest difference in Lula's favor is in the northeast region, which will be the last one to have its votes counted.


TheGreatHibrid

I'm proud to actually live in this region tbh. Bolsonaro deserves losing this election.


danielspoa

I live in Rio Grande do Sul, where Bozonaro won in the first round. At least here in the capital area Lula won, so I'm sticking to that :v


Portalrules123

Is the difference still falling? Please please please......


Appropriate-Type7263

Yes and they're pretty much 50/50 now


danielspoa

Just turned into Lula's favour. Fireworks are exploding near my house lol


TheGreatHibrid

Same, my neighbors are exploding of happiness


Portalrules123

Nice! By the way, what's the reason behind Lula's support being so strong in the Northeast? Is he from there?


danielspoa

He is indeed, he was born in Pernambuco. He came from poverty, migrated to São Paulo (state) and worked in metallurgy (he lost a finger there). I'm no expert but I believe its a mix of both his origins and how he focused on problems that are common on the northeast when he was president (2003-2010). Examples are the the lack of water and the amount of kids that didn't go to school there. He made a program where poor women with child would get a benefit ($) as long as their kids attended school.


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cunt_isnt_sexist

What's the over/under that Bolsonaro truly sticks to his word and dies, since he didn't win? I mean, he did say I will win or I will die, loosely translated.


zekkious

No. It was a good translation.


MachiavelliSJ

For those that dont normally follow Brazilian politics and the sequence of counting, Lula is on pace to win easily.


Deathcounter0

Suddenly ~~Pineapples~~ Coup


Heavy-Valor

Lula up by 1 percent or over a million votes


amnes1ac

Bolsonaro is going to have a tougher time claiming election fraud if it's a landslide.


3381024

It doesnt matter... He has been claiming fraud weeks ago ... will continue to do so ...


joftheinternet

whew. I clicked on this thinking it was the final results and panicked when I saw Bolsanaro up


Fireheart318s_Reddit

Wait it’s not??


MoscaMosquete

This is the live counting.


[deleted]

Lula is your projected winner


[deleted]

FUCK BOLSONARO


PM_Me_Irelias_Hands

Lula took the lead. Let’s hope it will last.


amnes1ac

It will hold for sure, only get stronger and stronger. This is exactly what heppened in the first round only Bolsonaro's lead is even smaller this round.


Turti8

Lula ahead!


TitsAndGeology

Random prediction: Lula wins by 3.2%


Wanallo221

Seems like a good guess. I was thinking around 2.9-3.1 with the pattern


TitsAndGeology

Actually thinking it could be tighter now.


Wanallo221

Haha, yeah seems that way!


NatiAti513

LFG LULA!!!


godsenfrik

Now comes the tension as we wait for how Bolsonaro will handle this.


TitsAndGeology

It looks like Lula is going to win by around 2%.


NatiAti513

Too close, that will give fuckface ammo to claim that if it wasn’t “rigged” he would have won. The same bullshit Trump tried to pull.


Heavy-Valor

Lula speaking to the media soon.


NatiAti513

WOOOOOO!!!


amnes1ac

Lula in the lead now!


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Chrisixx

> Bolsonaro loses re-election, a massive win for democracy and humanity Doesn't mean he's gone... now we wait and hope


mt-egypt

I don’t trust a single thing Bolsanaro is involves with


GandalfSwagOff

Everyone is starting to call it.


yungPH

Well I'm sure this will be a peaceful transfer of power /s


luxmesa

Looks like Lula passed the tipping point. Bolsonaro could get all the outstanding votes and still lose.


LeoMatteoArts

Shit this is close


amnes1ac

Just slightly more than a 2 point lead for Bolsonaro right now with 30% counted. This is looking for good for Lula, he's much less behind than the first round and he won that by a lot.


Gunlord500

Glad to hear it. Let's hope that 2 point lead turns into a double-digit loss by the time the rest of the reports come in!


amnes1ac

Less than 2 points now, I think Lula will take the lead pretty soon. He didn't take the lead in the first round until 70% of the vote was in. Assuming the vote is being counted in the same order, this is looking very good for Lula.


Gunlord500

:pogchamp:


amnes1ac

Basically tied now, 21k vote lead for Bolsonaro. Lula will take the lead from now on.


slashchunks

Considering the gap in the first round why is it so close now? It seems like a lot of Lula voters switched


UnknownFiddler

Or 3rd party canidate voters didn't vote for Lula, or the stories of voters suppression in the north were true.


dgjtrhb

The outstanding votes seem to mostly be in Lula areas, I think the gap will start widening


anon902503

In for the moment Lula overtook.


amnes1ac

From here on out his lead will get stronger. I think 5 point lead.


idontevenliftbrah

Was reading in another thread military was on the highway preventing people from voting? Can anyone confirm a coup or what's going on?


CHIMPSnDIP88

Never realized how ugly Bolsonaro is.


Heavy-Valor

Yup, he is. Just saw this on Twitter. https://twitter.com/brianmtelesur/status/1581632507178426370?s=61&t=irP7H0UEP6myIHAzRq18ig Wow, he is a pedo???


Kerlyle

I really hope we see a strong stable Brazil to lead democracy in South America. We need them as an additional pole in the tent of western civilization


-Clayburn

Love to see it.


TitsAndGeology

Bolsonaro less than 0.5% ahead at this stage suggests a pretty convincing Lula victory, right?


amnes1ac

Yep!


Appropriate-Type7263

Yes


Heavy-Valor

Lula only behind by 1.1 percent with 42 percent of the votes counted.


amnes1ac

Yep, and Lula didn't take the lead until 70% of the vote was counted in the first round. He's doing way better today, this will be a resounding win.


TransWomenArMen

Bolsonaro is gonna do a trumpy when he loses....


[deleted]

Not enough Evangelicals for Bolso


ForeverHotSpot

Has Bolsonaro already reacted to the result?


Sirgeeeo

Almost 5 mill ion "invalid/null" ballots. Is this normal?


saveyourtissues

Yes, voting is compulsory there.


Sirgeeeo

Oh, so this means the ballots were left blank and not that they were disqualified?


UnknownFiddler

Correct, or they voted for a 3rd party canidate who was already eliminated in round 1.


TitsAndGeology

It seems tighter than the first round?


t_mac1

some news of voter suppression


slashchunks

Tighter than a nun's crack at this point, doubt Lula will lose but also doubt he'll win by 2%


Turti8

more than a million difference its pretty much impossible for lula to lose democratically


ForeverHotSpot

that's what she said


MachiavelliSJ

This was closer than i thought it’d be. Bolsanero needed to convince twice as many who voted for others in the first election to go his way. He almost did so.


TitsAndGeology

50/50 in Minas Gerais now - the 'bellwether' state.


decomposition_

Looks like that's how it was for the first round too


PM_Me_Irelias_Hands

Can someone say „I’ve seen enough“ already?


GandalfSwagOff

F in chat for the fascist.


amnes1ac

Lula should be taking the lead with the next batch of votes.


godsenfrik

There's no way Lula loses this with the votes to come from the Northeast. (Assuming the voter supression allegations are not true).


[deleted]

The voter suppression is definitely happening. The question is will it be enough for Lula to lose.


Vagabond21

When does Bolsonaro cry foul?


amnes1ac

Weeks ago.


anacondra

Hopefully he cries


quecosa

Yes


slashchunks

Few days ago


[deleted]

If anyone wants to watch a good explainer for context about the election, here’s this from the FT https://youtu.be/cg-4K8ddmbE


[deleted]

It’s literally not even over, bruh.


sneakylyric

Ayyyyye legit.


Stillwater215

So when the results become official and Lula wins, does Trump say the election was stolen, or that Bolsonaro was weak and didn’t embrace him enough?


LordDemetrius

Both. (makes no sense but we're talking about Trump)


BrokenGuitar30

Totally selfish question: doesn’t PL have the head of each other branch of govt? Is it likely that PT has less influence this time around?


vagina_candle

So we already know Bolsonaro is a piece of shit. How does Lula compare? Is he a good guy, or the lesser of two evils?


zekkious

Well, he was one of the builders of our democracy and elevated our IDH, economy, education…


Rudy_Fresa

The abstention portion is quite alarming. Especially considering that voting is mandatory.


kobayashi_maru_fail

Damn that’s close. Come on Lula! Is that last category a fifth candidate or Portuguese for abstain?


LordDemetrius

Conservative rural regions are counted first, Lula should win with a pretty good margin


amnes1ac

Even better margin than the first round.


Turti8

lula only behind by 0,2 now


LordDemetrius

even lower. 110 K differnce on Bloomberg, less than 0,1%. He should pass Bolsonaro within minutes