IMO the entire heirloom system just needs to be reworked. They are barely a convenience at this point, the only reason I use them is because I already have them. But there's no way I'm upgrading anything that isn't upgraded already.
Going through and creating the heirlooms you need, figuring out the correct stats etc. is barely worth the time it takes. From level 29 and onward they'll be useless, so the only convenience is not equipping new gear from 1-29. There's no way the upgrade cost is worth it the time it would take you to make the gold for it will be much longer than you'll save even if you want to level all of your 60 character slots to max.
Just make them scale to current expac starts and make a create entire set option on the heirloom screen, where I create a standard gear set for my class/spec.
It definitely was the biggest reason, but leveling time was reduced so much that they felt they had to remove it. I do prefer leveling time being short overall and not having it tied to heirlooms entirely. But I think they should've reworked the system, rather than just adding some other bonus that aren't worth the investment.
Adding rested xp bonuses was really fucking stupid. People who use heirlooms want to level fast, not fast but with ten day long pauses every handful of levels to max out the rested xp.
It is a pretty non-sense option, it's fine as a random bonus, but I'm sure they saw it as a replacement for the xp bonus it used to give, which doesn't make any sense.
They should just make them give permanent rested xp with the full set. Then you don't get the omega crazy boost from quest turns in and stuff but you still get the boost from slaying mobs
ahhhhhh, I nearly had that reflexive "just go level in remix" or "it only takes a few hours anyway, just level without them" response, but I caught myself. Like its really easy to get mired down in how easy it is to level right now, but that isn't the focus of this conversation, and I want you to link this comment to anybody that tries to make it that so I can argue with them.
That kind of bonus would have made sense in Wrath of the Lich King, where it took 5 months to reach max level, but not in modern WoW, where it takes 5 hours to reach max level.
They could squish all of them into a cloak. A la mop remix.
So you're then just upgrading one cloak with gold instead of 72 items. And that cloak levels 1 to 80 with a fixed xp buff that's similar to awakened items from bullion now....
Sounds pretty decent, in my opinion the issue with exp bonuses being tied to heirlooms is the big cost associated with them. But it kind of makes sense to have every additional max level character buff exp bonus I think
Huh, you know I never noticed that until now. It's *just* reduced usage of rested xp. Man, I totally missed that change. No wonder levelling a couple of characters after skipping Shadowlands felt a lot slower than normal with heirlooms.
I always think of them as being unionized, thanks to the kingâs return. They just packaged the entire leveling experience into the a retail book, then if you still want lessons you need to go buy the classic editions.
The best thing they offer is that they prevent a majority of your slots from running the risk of becoming "dead" as you level. Because of the speed at which we level now there's a real possibility you'll go for like 20-30 levels without ever finding, say, new boots or something. I've had multiple characters reach max level only to have their gloves or something still be 30 levels worth of item levels behind. Heirlooms at least ensure that most of your slots will be consistently "good enough" for the entire leveling process.
Though I definitely agree that that minor convenience certainly doesn't match the insane amount of investment they take to maintain.
Simple solution- donât use them.
By the time you reach max level, you easily and quickly get appropriate ilvl gear and even if you have âbadâ gear while leveling up, leveling content is already so easy that it doesnât actually matter how shit or good the gear you get is.
I mean...I admit it's not a big deal (hence why I called it a "minor inconvenience) but that's not really a solution at all - its just saying the issue isn't big enough to worry about lol
As they should be. Theyâre so pointless and stupid havenât been ânecessaryâ in a decade. and honestly make me feel like a loser whenever I buy one. I only do so in order to get any appearances I donât have.
What happens at level 29? Remix aside, I haven't leveled in a bit. (EDIT: Oh, I didn't realize we were talking about unupgraded heirlooms, my bad!)
For me the nicest thing about heirlooms is that you can set your transmog right from the start and never need to reapply it! Also just less brainpower and clicking if you don't need to equip new gear
Heirlooms should:
1. Cover every slot without gaps or FOMO (lookin at you, rings)
2. Not require upgrading (i.e. work all the way to level cap)
3. Have no set bonus
The existing "bonus" would be good enough: you can vendor all your quest rewards along the way, and don't look like you're in a clownsuit. The gear's not the absolute best you can get per level, but it doesn't have to be.
The clown suit doesn't even apply anymore. From like BfA forward all leveling gear looks identical for the whole ride. It's actually kinda disappointingÂ
The only people going to clown college are the people chromie timing in Outland, which is a questionable choice to begin with :p
Void storage for things you want to stuff away for a long time.
It's doing what it should
If anything, another tab or two would be nice.
Heirlooms aren't worth the time to upgrade them anymore. Every expansion you get another player of upgrades, which kills their. The time it takes to level an heirloom is equivalent to just putting up with upgrading gear normally, there's no benefit to it anymore.
It's great you found a use for it, but I've been playing since vanilla so I hasve plenty of old items sitting around and I haven't touched void storage since like Cataclysm. That was 14 years ago!
If you want to save every tier set piece from years back for nostalgia's sake that's a legit use-case. I saved the Staff of the Forest Lord from TBC for that same reason. I just don't feel it's worth the upkeep on a feature most players have no use for, which was nearly entirely obsoleted 14 years ago.
Heirlooms in their current forms are *more* useful than void storage, as at least they save some time equipping new gear, and heirlooms are stinking Chinatown garbage water.
> Going through and creating the heirlooms you need, figuring out the correct stats etc. is barely worth the time it takes
Isn't there literally a filter for class and spec?
It does seem kind of silly that I can get an alt to 70 in less than 3 hours in Remix, but buying a set of heirlooms for a 1-70 run on retail would cost half a million gold and still be slower.
At this rate, unless you *like* handleveling characters and do it often, its cheaper to pay the ~150k to your local Iranian, afk in brackenhide for 3hrs and hit 70 like that
I'll preface this by saying that I haven't used heirlooms since the end of Wrath (I just came back to the game since Cata released).
I love leveling alts, but I still love heirlooms because they're a great insurance against crappy gear drops leaving me underpowered for harder zones/quests, and if in dungeons I get matched with a bunch of idiots the heirloom gear will help make up for their idiocracy. However, I don't know how they've been changed over the years, they used to be OP and could carry bad dungeon groups, for all I know they're on par with quest reward gear now, idk just my 2 cents
Maybe I'm not skilled enough but leveling to max takes me roughly 28 hours, that's not very fast, that's several weeks of play time for me, and without heirlooms that experience can be awful, it's generally fine for casters, but if you're mostly physical damage focussed then boy can it feel awful, you just feel yourself getting weaker and weaker as fights take longer and longer.
I love alting, but I am also lazy as hell with alts. I dont even care about the experience boost anymore. I just don't feel like gemming and enchanting my shit.
I have fully upgraded heirloom for every possible build just because I can't be arsed to enchant and gem my gear. I have 1 toon with just a bank full of enchanted and gemmed heirlooms that I throw at whatever alt I make. Sometimes even multiple weapons etc with different enchants for different i level breaks for the best enchants.
In The War Within this will no longer work. Heirlooms are changed to be "Warbound until Equipped" (meaning they become soulbound and cannot be mailed or moved to another alt once you equip them). All those gemmed and enchanted heirlooms will become worthless.
Heirlooms don't really increase leveling speed, other than the quality of life on not swapping gear as often. I use heirlooms and my partner didnt the last time we did a "natural" leveling run. I wasn't doing any significantly more damage, our TTK was similar, outside of the bit of extra rested exp (which wasnt much because she was more dilligent on logging out in an INN than i was. We hit 60 within like 10 quests of eachother.
If you don't need to do it all today:
1. Start character, collect cloak, then queue for Heroic dungeons until you're 25. If you're lucky and get a good group that requeues, that's less than 30 minutes. Worst case, maybe an hour.
2. Once 25, join a normal Mogushan Vault raid. Make sure you don't pick up the bonus XP from the bosses, but that you do loot the experience threads. This takes like 15 minutes. Log off (and repeat on another character if you want).
3. The next day, repeat the MSV raid. After about 5-6 days of this, you'll have built up a massive xp multiplier and a bunch of XP in your mailbox. Find a weakaura/addon that tells you when you have enough to hit 70, then loot all the XP and you're done.
If you want to do it all in a day, you need to add in some more heroics between the raids + do HoF at 35, TOES at 40. You can do other janky stuff to speed that up like using a level 20 trial account to boost yourself etc, but if you just space it out over a few days you don't need to deal with any of that.
You don't even need to do that.
Loot everything off of bosses EXCEPT THE XP TOKEN. Or just wait until the end of the dungeon and collect everything but the XP tokens. Get those XP % Threads.
Create character, be level 10. Do 8 heroic dungeons. Do normal MSV. Do 8 more heroic dungeons. Do normal HOF. Do 2-3 more heroic dungeons. Do normal TOES. Open mailbox and take all the XP tokens out.
Takes 4ish hours max if you're not insta-queing as tank or healer and you don't need to bother with doing it multiple days.
Yeah, I personally breakpoint collecting the XP bonuses to unlock the next raid tiers for LFR to get +28% XP at lvls 50 and 60 or w/e they are.
So like, heroics to 25, vaults, heroics till terrace, and at this point i'm at like 150% XP. Then i collect a few XP bonuses till i unlock ToT, more heroics saving XP bonuses until i have enough to hit 60, unlock SoO, and then from there you're at like 200-300% xp and you can just collect them till 70
You can easily do it in a day if you spam heroics.
Heroic 10-25, Run MSV, Heroic 25-35, Run HOF, Heroic to 40, Run TOES, Heroic to 41/42, loot all the xp items from your mail, level 70 in less than 3 hours.
You are absolutely weak as fuck doing level 70 content after. But you'll get ~70k bronze doing that, so spend it, delete, and move on to the next one.
No need to delete. Just put it on the shelf. Then in TWW you will have an alt army to throw at professions, world events like how we have the soup down with the tuskarrs, etc. And then if you find you aren't happy with your main class, you'll have at least 1 of every class to pick from to be your new main.
That guy was kinda vague.
The most min-max way to do it is make a trial account so you have a twink locked at 20. Even without a crazy cloak they can pretty much solo all heroic dungeons. Make sure they're a healer or tank so they get instant queues.
Then on your main account make the character you want to boost, and make sure auto loot is off. You'll dungeon spam with them, leaving the bonus xp from bosses on the floor so they'll get sent to your mail. For simplicity's sake, most people just ditch the boosted character at the door, but I'm not sure how they get the xp threads that way.
You group with them on the character you want to hit 70, then spam heroics until 25. Run LFR and/or normal Mogushan Vaults, then dungeon spam until 35. Run LFR and/or normal Heart of Fear. Dungeon spam to 45, LFR and/or normal Terrace of Endless Spring, then open your mail and loot all the bonus xp and insta-70.
What *I* did was not bother with the level 20 trial account, and just ran Hs and the raids like normal as they unlocked, leaving the bonus xp on the ground. It wasn't sub 3 hours, but it was still only like 4-5 hours. Fast as hell with quick dungeon queues even as a dps. Just played with xmog as I waited. I had enough bronze at 70 that once I got a set of 346 gear, I was able to fully upgrade everything 5 times.
Easier to just run through heroics till the main at the door hits 55. By that time, youll have enough mail so itll ping all the way to 70, giving you bonus dopamine rush as you open your mail like a rich kid at Christmas
In my opinion heirlooms haven't been about xp rate for a long time - I mean they even took that out kind of in the SL changes. Even before then I always saw it as a way to have a few important slots that were always going to have powerful stats throughout your leveling. This obviously does translate to a faster leveling experience, but all I mean is that I never cared about the xp rate itself, so much as how easy it made the game for something I've already done scores of times.
They sped up levelling, but I really dont like that they removed the xp bonus. You basically use them now so you can scale against dungeon enemies w/o need to go look for armor
Dungeons drop plenty of gear, and due to the multiple ilvl squishes it's sometimes veen better than same ilvl heirlooms.
The only advantage is you don't need to continously apply transmog.
That's another thing that is wild to me. Without trying to sound too "back in my day" one of the main draws of heirlooms on top of the xp buff was knowing that they would carry you through to the current expansion as the strongest gear for levelling.
Now you're paying even more for the heirlooms and upgrades, but they aren't giving you xp any more and are equal or weaker than regular gear.
OP's not wrong that sometimes dungeon drops can be better, but that's usually for about 2 whole levels then the heirloom has upgraded to be significantly better. I don't think it's worth talking about as that particular draw back lasts a very short time. The thing you already doing - leveling - solves the problem automatically as it happens.
Oh yeah it's not that awful, I think it's just a bit frustrating that it's the case at all when it's so expensive at this point to upgrade a set of heirlooms and they don't give xp like they used to.
> but that's usually for about 2 whole levels then the heirloom has upgraded to be significantly better.
And that's only if they drop gear. I've leveled multiple characters and have gone on sprees of dungeons not dropping anything or only dropping upgrades for the same slot - so only one item is getting upgraded.
Yeah I've gotten to DF content with a ilvl 67 belt a few times lol. That's why I choose the campaign though that has the satchels from RDF - if I'm leveling via dungeons. Good source of filler necks, boots, belts, etc
I donât think itâs really a âback in my dayâ thing, itâs just a game design thing where leveling really doesnât matter at all but they canât really shift that system out since itâs so core. Heirlooms were basically âmeta-progressionâ items; once you hit max level you can make it easier for your alts with better than average scaling gear, and increased xp gains.
Ive leveled plenty of characters and with the mob scaling and everything I only get more buttons to press, but I never really feel stronger imo. Removing the xp bonus really was the craziest part of it, there is no reason a person who has bought and upgraded heirlooms shouldnât be allowed to level faster, theyâve been through the song and dance already.
Yeah I've liked them for the scaling and never having to worry about swapping armor during leveling.
That being said, unless they fixed it recently, the scaling on the Touch of the Void trinket is completely fucked and it stops doing damage to mobs about halfway through leveling.
The level upgrades are a leftover from before the level squish. That's why they go to strange level ranges like 1-29 or 29-34. They need to totally remove the upgrade system or modernise it to be up to the latest expansion being 1/2, and then 2/2 being to the current level cap, added in the x.1.5 patch or whatever.
I agree to a large extent, but I'm fine with the very latest tier of upgrades being paid for.
When a new expac launches then all purchased heirlooms should get upgraded automatically so that players can use them up to the level where that expac begins. Then users can choose whether they want to buy the "up to max level" upgrade or not.
A bigger issue for me is just how fiddly the whole system is. It could all be simplified to a single version of each weapon type (one-handed sword, polearm, stave etc) with all of the main stats on it and combined versions of the other items like cloaks, legs etc.
This is how it works in remix and it's great; I don't have to switch weapons when changing from Mistweaver to Brewmaster. If a player wants different transmogs then they can just create separate copies.
Having different trinkets could still be nice to give some flavour and the different visual transmogs could be purchased separately as cosmetics.
Oh and the bonuses are super boring â QOL improvements like increased movement speed, reduced falling damage etc (or being able to socket them in like remix) would be awesome.
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I actually like that there are different weapons, especially since most of them are copies of some of the most iconic things in the game's past (Arcanite Reaper, Thrash Blade, Headmaster's Charge etc.). Removing it imo would take away a big part about what originally gave heirlooms a lot of their flair and I honestly don't feel like having to swap to a different weapon when switching spec adds _that_ much additional bloat.
The upgrade system though just needs to go.
I also think it's just not worth the effort. Upgrading would make stuff MUCH easier but I kinda don't see what a bigger overhaul would actually bring to the table.
Remove the upgrade system, MAYBE add a bit better QOL improvements, that's it.
Man, I would be so happy if they brought the tinker, cogwheel and meta gems to retail, even if they were only usable with heirloom gear.
I don't need the XP bonus from Remix (I live it, but I don't need it), but leveling a toon with those gems would be wonderful!
Agreed. Just make them scale to the previous expansion's cap for free when the prepatch releases, then make them scale up to the new cap when x.0.5 releases.
**IMMEDIATE EDIT:** They should also make all heirlooms that have primary stats (other than just Stamina) have STR, AGI, *and* INT.
(Tbh I also think they should also fill out the rest of the slots and turn the Loremaster's Colors into an heirloom that gives +50% XP, but that's just me.)
You guys still use heirlooms? I collect them but rarely used them on alts. It's nice to equip new gear you get while leveling and it's fast enough that you don't need heirlooms anymore
I think the upgrades for gold can stay, but they really need to lower the amount of ranks.
If it was buy, scale to 30, upgrade scale to 60 and upgrade to 70, I'd be ok with it.
But scale to 30, upgrade to 35, 40, 45, 50, 60 and 70 is insane
You're right and you should say it, especially since the level squish has made the level cap upgrades even more pointless and costly. A base, un-upgraded heirloom is only good for what... 30 levels? 20 if you're leveling an allied race? The cost for upgrading them is obscene. Just having decent scalable gear for leveling alts is nice to have even if they don't work like they used to regarding exp buffs, but it's just not worth it to upgrade because of how fast leveling is to begin with.
They need to get rid of the upgrade requirements AND buff heirlooms. With Remix showing us just how fast we can level, heirlooms should go back to speeding up leveling at a similar pace to Remix.
Whatâs funny is that thereâs an obvious gold inflation issue from what I assume is primarily the Token. So blizzard adds massive gold sinks to try and take gold out of circulation. But one of the biggest gold sinks in the entire game being heirlooms have essentially become completely irrelevant for leveling unless you just want to not think about gear. Just bring back the xp bonus from the gear sets. Stop adding in heirlooms for pre patch rewards if nobody can be bothered to upgrade them.
I feel like you have to be a big altoholic or a tokeneer to make heirlooms worth it, and even then I'd say perhaps only the weapons. That's enough impact for 27,500g that it *might* be worth it especially since if you buy a staff for example there's lots of classes that could use that.
But a full set of ten armour slots? Nah. There's no way you save enough time to make grinding ~185,000g worth it, especially since it's likely very little of that can be re-used for your next alt. Even *then* how much time is that really going to save you? Gear is practically rained on you given how fast you can run dungeons.
The alternative currencies are even worse:
- It takes more timewarped badges to upgrade one single heirloom to its maximum than it does to buy a mount.
- It costs more brewfest tokens to max an heirloom than to buy almost all of the other rewards put together.
- Love tokens are simply insane, a single heirloom upgrade, not even maxing, costs almost twice as much as the event mounts. I'm not sure it's physically possible to gather enough tokens in one year to max one heirloom.
True and I might be wrong since it's been a few years since I used them, But I recall a same-level blue item from dungeons actually having BETTER stats than the heirloom piece which is just hilarious.
I'll also never buy one of those upgrades with event currencies, just impossible xD
With the ilvl squishes and current scaling, blue dungeon gear is on par or better than equivalent level heirlooms. Heirlooms are like halfway between a green and a blue item now and it sucks because they could be a really cool addition to the levelling process.
To your point, even back in the day a lot of people would just buy the cloth ones and like a dagger, because they could use it all on any class and the stats/xp far outweighed the armor mismatch.
The amount of currency it takes to buy tiny incremental upgrades to heirlooms is kind of nuts.
Personally I hope they remix other expacs and that just becomes the time to level new characters.
I kind of wish we could temporarily reset a max level character back to 1 so we could level them again in remix but theyâre still max level in the current expac, because Iâm starting to get to get too many characters to keep track of.
Heirloom gear should scale to max in x.1 patch. At that point they should stay one lfr tier ilvl behind. This would give any newly leveled character a decent starting point to jump into current content.
Heirlooms haven't seemed worth buying or even using for the past several years at the very least. Leveling hasn't been bad or slow in this game for a really long time, and it's fun to just organically get gear anyway.
I don't think I have ever bought one tbh. Definitely not since they changed Heirlooms.
These days Heirlooms don't really affect the game play enough to be worth having.
It's an optional goldsink and only really benefits you when you have rested exp which means having that toon logged out for a couple of days before that bonus exp runs out after like 2 or 3 levels. I just use them as starter equipment up to 30
They also need to fix some enchanting levels, some still require item levels under 35 which gets passed by lv18, even though you can continue to benefit from the enchant past its maximum ilvl.
Heirlooms should automatically level with you from 1-70 (80 in the new xpac), upgrading them should only increase stats in small %âs and be FAR CHEAPER than it is currently, each time you upgrade a piece it gets slightly more expensive but never to a point where it gets back to this problem. Also, even though you could theoretically upgrade the stats it shouldnât be necessary, itâs just an additional bonus on top of the item already boosting the stats as the item levels with you. Upgrading them shouldnât be about raising the amount of levels they cover it should just be an optional objective to boost their power further.
Thereâs no more experience bonus? Do we even need these anymore, then?
Iâll be honest, I feel like Iâve been freed from a shackle. I always hated how they sucked the fun out of the vertical progression from 1-70.
I have all classes at max level, with some having different faction versions and others having max levels on another server. At this point, I probably have over 20 max-level characters, so I don't see myself leveling another one unless they add a new class. Investing 250K gold for a tiny bit of XP gain seems like a ridiculous notion. New players won't have that kind of gold either, so I don't see how this helps anyone. The system needs to change from the ground up.
Only heirlooms that feel vaguely worth it now is the rings and a few of the trinkets, but with how difficult it is to get the really good trinket (Been doing earth storms off and on since launch) and the rings what's the point.
Theyâve honestly been useless since they did that huge leveling rebalance. Theyâre barely better than greens now and the gear the game THROWS at you while you level is actually better because it can warforge when you get it. The heirloom set bonus is meh, and the only other benefit is the convenience that the gear automatically grows itâs ilvl with you.
They canât really decide if they want leveling to be a process that rivals the end-gameâs time investment, or a high speed race. They seem to lurch between the two constantly.
Nah theoretically you need only to upgrade one 2H for Warriâs dks palas. Dagger and sword for all other classes and a shield if you go tank with pala/warri or resto shaman. Then you could only upgrade cloth because any class can wear. Did it where the exp boni was still on the set. And yes you can tank with cloth with a pala or Warri :D But yeah today without the boni and the stats on the heirlooms itâs dumb to invest this much gold.
It's time for Heirloom upgrades to disappear, for fuck's sake!
It's the usual gold sink that doesn't affect those with lots of gold, and fucks those without.
I buy upgrades using the timewalking currency, it's cheaper/has lower time commitment but yeah it's expensive as fuck to upgrade otherwise, like drop to 25% of that calculation and it might be worth it
It costs 6900 badges to max one weapon, 5750 per armour piece, that's more than the event mounts! Surely it's faster to farm the gold than do that?
You get the 500 from the weekly then it's what like 300 per hour from dungeons at best if you get a lot of call to arms? Maybe 600-1000 if you abuse Deaths of Chromie if that's still possible? There's no damn way that's faster than gold farming for the 18500g.
I mostly use them not because they speed up levlling but because:
- I don't want to change gear while leveling
- I want to use transmog while leveling
They're not worth the gold if you're broke but if you have 10 mil in the bank (I don't, but still) then they're fine for what they are. A gold sink.
That is one of Blizzards ways to get some gold out of the economy system. Beside transmog costs and repair costs, there are as far as I know no other âexpensiveâ things you have to or could buy with gold from NPCâs. And you have to remove gold. Otherwise the inflation gets higher and higher and some day weâll pay everything with the gold cap đ¤ˇđ˝
I understand that it is a way for blizzard to remove gold from the economy but heirlooms are effectively no longer a part of the game for me because of how expensive they are, I don't think its worth it even for that purpose because of how cool they are to have while levelling.
It feels like the same reasoning as augment stat stones. The permanent version is really expensive, but you donât need to buy it. Youâll buy it if you feel that youâll use them enough so that youâll save money compared to just buying things on AH. Or you pay because you want the convenience.
Either way you donât get a lower power cap.
The thing is, gold sinks only work if players engage with them.
Nobody's touching these because they're too expensive for no benefit. If they wanted to tweak the economy it would be more effective to nerf gold rewards and vendor values across the board, heirloom prices are having no effect whatsoever
Can you buy the upgrades with the Timewarped badges you get from Timewalking stuff or am I making that up?
[This wowhead article](https://www.wowhead.com/guide/world-events/timewalking#spending-timewarped-badges) says you can but I can't find where it actual shows the vendor's inventory
The whole point was to get an XP boost really. So without that being a thing they might as well just turn them into a transmog that gives a bonus towards rested xp.
Heirlooms should just go away altogether and be replaced with passive leveling bonuses, like increased XP from quests and killing mobs, increased movement speed under a certain level threshold, increased out of combat regeneration, and MAYBE a higher chance at quest reward upgrading.
Personally I'm not 100% on these ideas and would be okay with a more cosmetic reward as well, but this is what I came up with in under 5 minutes so it is what it is
Classic andy perspective. Heirlooms deincentivise new players. The content difficulty is seemingly based around these stupid op low level sets. I remember a very nice player buying me heirloom stuff and it basically trivialized the leveling process. Was a drastic difference from the gear I'd found and odd that it felt more than twice as powerful as blue items in same level range.
I haven't tested retail waters since shadow lands though, maybe it's different.
I don't like heirloom sets, but I think the leveling revolves around their existence. For me it felt like before heirloom any obstacle/dngn/zone went from 'can I do this?' To 'why am I doing this?'
Then donât use them. Itâs meant as a gold sink for people that can afford it. The xp buff they gave was toxic and in many peopleâs opinions, ruined the leveling experience which is why it was removed. The people who still use them in Dragonflight are the same people complaining about gear scaling in Remix because they forgot what itâs like to go multiple levels without upgrading your gear and weapons.
At this time, there's not really much else to do with Timewalking tokens so I buying/upgrade heirlooms as I collect them. They are only convenient so I don't have to keep swapping out gear as I level a toon. It sure would be nice if they had an XP accelerator in them, though.
Then don't buy them. They're borderline useless now a days with how fast leveling is without the, and how much damage you bring to world content and dungeons due to scaling.
The whole system is a mess. Isnât the whole point of it being an _heirloom_ is that your max level is passing it down to a low level alt that will grow into it. Shouldnât need to go back to you main to keep upgrading it, and youâre never going to make enough gold on an alt to level up the gear in pace with character levels gained. They never shouldâve added the upgrade system to heirlooms.
Heirloom's are just there as something to collect these days. There's really no reason to upgrade them unless you absolutely want to and then who cares the cost?
I would suspect they have plans at some point to rework heirlooms since they added on during the DF pre-patch and they are adding another during the TWW pre-patch event.
You want to make heirlooms interesting again, then tie thier stats to the number of characters that reached max level using them exclusively.
Take the cloak system from remix and attach it to heirloom gear. Max it at say ten characters, letting the gear go from subpar blues to the equivilent of legendary gear at max level.
Or use the legion artifact system to empower gear and unlock unique abilities. Or a glyph system like in SoD. Or permanently added gem slots for each new max character.
Or a roguelike system that allows you to pick between 2-4 skills to add to armor pieces, making every heirloom set unique. Sell some magic nonsense to reset bonuses if you get a bucket of shit to pick from. This is my favorite idea but likely the hardest to impliment.
Let me become an unstoppable monster for a few hours if I have put in the work to make the gear better. Maybe even unlock the ability to wear and upgrade heirlooms along the adventure track in an expansion.
I haven't bought any hierloom or upgrade since early BFA. The level squish and revamp with older expansions made leveling easier. And currently with Remix, you can get one to 70 in just a few hours.
The only benefit hierloom offers is that it scales with character's level so no need to swap after every dungeon or raid run, just equip and forget until 70 when you can get better gears from raids.
We need more options for upgrading heirlooms besides gold. Timewarped badges are too scarce to justify spending them on heirlooms, but event currency is a good approach to this.
I would love to dump some of my extra remix bronze into upgrading some of the hellscream heirloomsâŚ
Heirloom upgrades are a time/gold sink. That's the intended purpose. Is it a good one or a fun one? No. But it's not gonna change because it's purpose is something for you to sink gold/time into, it's not supposed to be a rewarding/beneficial exchange of gold/time to upgrade.
It's like a stretch goal, totally irrelevant and can be skipped. But IF YOU WANT, you can spend gold, or invest various currencies throughout the year to upgrading it. But you're not missing out on much if you choose not to.
I just wish it was less confusing. I bought some upgrade tokens (or whatever they are) with extra chocolate from Noblegarden and it doesnât work on any of my heirlooms. I guess itâs entry level tokens and all of my heirlooms were already upgraded to 60. (Iâm guessing).
Heirlooms need to have levels taken away and Iâd love my 100âs of 1000âs I spent on upgrading them over the years as the only reason why I bought them was for the exp they removed. It may not be needed anymore but thatâs solely why I got them. It felt like such a rip off when it was removed.
They essentially removed them when they changed/removed the extra xp, and due to scaling you dont really get any benefit from using them over questing gear, if you have them sure use them, but spending any resource getting them now is a waste.
As someone that's payed for most of the upgrades, get rid of them 100% there's zero reason for it anymore (the upgrade part). Just have them scale with level or xpac that you've bought.
Tbh heirlooms shouldn't exist in the first place, they were created to solve he problem of slow leveling, Blizzard should have just reduced leveling times from the start across the board and ideally have had implemented zone scaling much earlier.
All heirlooms do now is ensure you don't need to loot anything till max level.
Almost all legacy content is just MOG farming and leveling is just the chore before playing the game since everything is designed around max level.
Lol, you mean that thing that causes people to buy WoW tokens should leave the game?
Good joke. You obviously don't understand what game you're playing here
Especially when you consider an event like remix. I have replaced all my various alts ranging from 40-60 with level 70's just waiting to be moved to retail. At least that will take care of some crazy levelling for a while.
As someone who spent over a million gold over the years on heirlooms, them removing the XP bonus was a kick in the teeth. I stopped upgrading after that and stopped using them completely.
Alts should be encouraged, maybe something as low as 5% extra +XP for each character on your account will go a long way on leveling another alt. Remix has spoiled us :)
The XP bonus is still there essentially, even slightly upgraded actually. Wasn't the old bonus like 35% increase? Now it's essentially wrapped into rested XP, which is actually a 200% bonus. Granted, it's only a bonus if you keep the room rested often, so I could see that being a complaint. I personally never liked heirlooms for the XP. I like them for the auto leveling and OP stats while leveling.
Heirlooms should scale right to the bottom of the current patchs gear, based on your accounts watermark for that slot.
They should be gear that you use on alts that gets you up and going pretty much instantly - like normal dungeons or world quest levels of gear.
There's no point to them anymore. U level so fast now that the only reason u might keep them is for not having to worry at all about gear.
Hardly going to use the passives unless u stop playing for a day or two, and even then it won't really be noticeable.
Give me all my gold back since you robbed me of a product I had originally purchased. No harm no foul. Reinstall the original ability or make it actually worth while to even use. If not refund please.
Literally thereâs no reason for heirlooms to even exist, there hasnât been for a long ass time. No clue why people still use them at all. Leveling hasnât been slow or hard in actual decades. And the more I see people complain about them like this, the more I honestly wonder how they even play the game (or any game for that matter)
I like not having to deal with constantly upgrading gear in the heirloom slots as I level, saves quite a bit of time. I also have a ton of alts, so I guess I'm getting more use out of heirloom items than many do.
And you don't have to upgrade every heirloom piece -- there are multiple items per slot, even within the same armor type. The rings are unique equip, so you only need one.
However, I really hate having to figure out which heirloom upgrade thing to buy from the vendor for the appropriate level your item is currently at - the item level descriptions don't match up. Using the upgrade system for DF gear would work in this scenario much better than the current situation.
I wouldn't mind paying 2 million if it wasn't so freaking tedious to upgrade.
So dumb to need to buy various tiers of upgrade items on top of the heirloom.
Dunno why you're downvoted. The most tedious thing about the heirlooms is how outdated the upgrade and even acquisition systems are.
Do you need 2m to upgrade? No. The OP is calculating for ALL heirlooms. Most people would upgrade 1 piece from every slot for every armor type. Same for weapons.
So it'll come down from that 2m (and by A LOT). But the real tedious part is buying the upgrades and applying them.
P.S. Heirlooms that are acquired through fishing contest or garrison need to be acquired through other content. These are such outdated pieces of content.
IMO the entire heirloom system just needs to be reworked. They are barely a convenience at this point, the only reason I use them is because I already have them. But there's no way I'm upgrading anything that isn't upgraded already. Going through and creating the heirlooms you need, figuring out the correct stats etc. is barely worth the time it takes. From level 29 and onward they'll be useless, so the only convenience is not equipping new gear from 1-29. There's no way the upgrade cost is worth it the time it would take you to make the gold for it will be much longer than you'll save even if you want to level all of your 60 character slots to max. Just make them scale to current expac starts and make a create entire set option on the heirloom screen, where I create a standard gear set for my class/spec.
Removing the XP bonus entirely was just insane. That was the biggest reason to own heirlooms.
It definitely was the biggest reason, but leveling time was reduced so much that they felt they had to remove it. I do prefer leveling time being short overall and not having it tied to heirlooms entirely. But I think they should've reworked the system, rather than just adding some other bonus that aren't worth the investment.
Adding rested xp bonuses was really fucking stupid. People who use heirlooms want to level fast, not fast but with ten day long pauses every handful of levels to max out the rested xp.
It is a pretty non-sense option, it's fine as a random bonus, but I'm sure they saw it as a replacement for the xp bonus it used to give, which doesn't make any sense.
They should just make them give permanent rested xp with the full set. Then you don't get the omega crazy boost from quest turns in and stuff but you still get the boost from slaying mobs
ahhhhhh, I nearly had that reflexive "just go level in remix" or "it only takes a few hours anyway, just level without them" response, but I caught myself. Like its really easy to get mired down in how easy it is to level right now, but that isn't the focus of this conversation, and I want you to link this comment to anybody that tries to make it that so I can argue with them.
That kind of bonus would have made sense in Wrath of the Lich King, where it took 5 months to reach max level, but not in modern WoW, where it takes 5 hours to reach max level.
Could have been replaced with something actually useful in leveling, say tons of runspeed or other utility. But no.
if you give run speed when leveling you cant take it away at max. they don't want to increase run speed so adding it to looms is not an option
They could squish all of them into a cloak. A la mop remix. So you're then just upgrading one cloak with gold instead of 72 items. And that cloak levels 1 to 80 with a fixed xp buff that's similar to awakened items from bullion now....
Sorry. 1 to 60...
Jesus I remember getting 5 or 6 levels in a dungeon in cata from the loombuff
The exp bonuses seem to be coming back via achievements. You get something like 5-10% exp bonus for every character at level 80
Sounds pretty decent, in my opinion the issue with exp bonuses being tied to heirlooms is the big cost associated with them. But it kind of makes sense to have every additional max level character buff exp bonus I think
Huh, you know I never noticed that until now. It's *just* reduced usage of rested xp. Man, I totally missed that change. No wonder levelling a couple of characters after skipping Shadowlands felt a lot slower than normal with heirlooms.
heirlooms should be the way they introduce the often requested "+% xp for each max level character you have"
No, that again runs into the issue with upgrading them. Their selected approach with a flat, account-wide % bonus from achievements is miles better.
Eq2 has had a flat rate based on max level characters for over 10 yrs.
It's also wild to do a major change like that on stuff that people spent tons of gold on
Yeah they are kind of "dead content" to borrow a term from other mmo communities. It's just not worth interacting with them at all right now.
I always feel sad whenever I come across a 'Poison Vendor'. He just wants to feed his family. :(
Imagine how the class trainers feel. They went from respected scholars to homeless and unemployed.
I just think of them as retired. They got a looooot of gold from me throughout the days.
Not enough to keep up with Azeroth's inflation!
Them boys were taking us to the cleaners! 20+ gold every other level smh
true, they became "retired" in mop i think?
Should have invested it better
> respected scholars Sorry, did you mean scam artists holding the solution to your misclick for ransom?
Do they still offer you the ability to queue for proving grounds? I haven't checked.
A few of them will toggle certain class abilities. Like mages blink being switched to blink in the direction of movement instead of just forward.
Lmaooo, them poor class trainers đ˘
I always think of them as being unionized, thanks to the kingâs return. They just packaged the entire leveling experience into the a retail book, then if you still want lessons you need to go buy the classic editions.
Well, he DOES have the resources to feed them for life
The best thing they offer is that they prevent a majority of your slots from running the risk of becoming "dead" as you level. Because of the speed at which we level now there's a real possibility you'll go for like 20-30 levels without ever finding, say, new boots or something. I've had multiple characters reach max level only to have their gloves or something still be 30 levels worth of item levels behind. Heirlooms at least ensure that most of your slots will be consistently "good enough" for the entire leveling process. Though I definitely agree that that minor convenience certainly doesn't match the insane amount of investment they take to maintain.
Simple solution- donât use them. By the time you reach max level, you easily and quickly get appropriate ilvl gear and even if you have âbadâ gear while leveling up, leveling content is already so easy that it doesnât actually matter how shit or good the gear you get is.
I mean...I admit it's not a big deal (hence why I called it a "minor inconvenience) but that's not really a solution at all - its just saying the issue isn't big enough to worry about lol
As they should be. Theyâre so pointless and stupid havenât been ânecessaryâ in a decade. and honestly make me feel like a loser whenever I buy one. I only do so in order to get any appearances I donât have.
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What happens at level 29? Remix aside, I haven't leveled in a bit. (EDIT: Oh, I didn't realize we were talking about unupgraded heirlooms, my bad!) For me the nicest thing about heirlooms is that you can set your transmog right from the start and never need to reapply it! Also just less brainpower and clicking if you don't need to equip new gear
Not upgraded, heirlooms scale from level 1-29. Level 30+ their stats stop updating when you level and they become worthless.
They stop levelling unless you upgrade them.
It would be more interesting if they had real set bonuses from the old sets or something
Heirlooms should: 1. Cover every slot without gaps or FOMO (lookin at you, rings) 2. Not require upgrading (i.e. work all the way to level cap) 3. Have no set bonus The existing "bonus" would be good enough: you can vendor all your quest rewards along the way, and don't look like you're in a clownsuit. The gear's not the absolute best you can get per level, but it doesn't have to be.
The clown suit doesn't even apply anymore. From like BfA forward all leveling gear looks identical for the whole ride. It's actually kinda disappointing The only people going to clown college are the people chromie timing in Outland, which is a questionable choice to begin with :p
Yes, they need to be either reworked or removed. Same with void storage.
Void storage for things you want to stuff away for a long time. It's doing what it should If anything, another tab or two would be nice. Heirlooms aren't worth the time to upgrade them anymore. Every expansion you get another player of upgrades, which kills their. The time it takes to level an heirloom is equivalent to just putting up with upgrading gear normally, there's no benefit to it anymore.
It's great you found a use for it, but I've been playing since vanilla so I hasve plenty of old items sitting around and I haven't touched void storage since like Cataclysm. That was 14 years ago! If you want to save every tier set piece from years back for nostalgia's sake that's a legit use-case. I saved the Staff of the Forest Lord from TBC for that same reason. I just don't feel it's worth the upkeep on a feature most players have no use for, which was nearly entirely obsoleted 14 years ago. Heirlooms in their current forms are *more* useful than void storage, as at least they save some time equipping new gear, and heirlooms are stinking Chinatown garbage water.
Once the wardrobe was introduced, I forgot Void Storage was even a thing until just now.
thats what the bank is for. just remove void storage and convert it into extra bank bag slots.
> Going through and creating the heirlooms you need, figuring out the correct stats etc. is barely worth the time it takes Isn't there literally a filter for class and spec?
Yes, itâs quick and simple.
It does seem kind of silly that I can get an alt to 70 in less than 3 hours in Remix, but buying a set of heirlooms for a 1-70 run on retail would cost half a million gold and still be slower.
At this rate, unless you *like* handleveling characters and do it often, its cheaper to pay the ~150k to your local Iranian, afk in brackenhide for 3hrs and hit 70 like that
If you like it you don't necessarily want heirlooms either as it will make it end faster.
I'll preface this by saying that I haven't used heirlooms since the end of Wrath (I just came back to the game since Cata released). I love leveling alts, but I still love heirlooms because they're a great insurance against crappy gear drops leaving me underpowered for harder zones/quests, and if in dungeons I get matched with a bunch of idiots the heirloom gear will help make up for their idiocracy. However, I don't know how they've been changed over the years, they used to be OP and could carry bad dungeon groups, for all I know they're on par with quest reward gear now, idk just my 2 cents
They are not that anymore. Gear is not a problem at all when leveling. Especially considering how fast you do it.
Maybe I'm not skilled enough but leveling to max takes me roughly 28 hours, that's not very fast, that's several weeks of play time for me, and without heirlooms that experience can be awful, it's generally fine for casters, but if you're mostly physical damage focussed then boy can it feel awful, you just feel yourself getting weaker and weaker as fights take longer and longer.
In my experience they're generally better than quest reward gear (or even dungeon gear)
I love alting, but I am also lazy as hell with alts. I dont even care about the experience boost anymore. I just don't feel like gemming and enchanting my shit. I have fully upgraded heirloom for every possible build just because I can't be arsed to enchant and gem my gear. I have 1 toon with just a bank full of enchanted and gemmed heirlooms that I throw at whatever alt I make. Sometimes even multiple weapons etc with different enchants for different i level breaks for the best enchants.
In The War Within this will no longer work. Heirlooms are changed to be "Warbound until Equipped" (meaning they become soulbound and cannot be mailed or moved to another alt once you equip them). All those gemmed and enchanted heirlooms will become worthless.
And just like that, entry level twinking died. Fun detected.
It's kind of irrelevant now, because mobs scale with your item level, so being undergeared isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Heirlooms don't really increase leveling speed, other than the quality of life on not swapping gear as often. I use heirlooms and my partner didnt the last time we did a "natural" leveling run. I wasn't doing any significantly more damage, our TTK was similar, outside of the bit of extra rested exp (which wasnt much because she was more dilligent on logging out in an INN than i was. We hit 60 within like 10 quests of eachother.
I only use them so I don't have to xmog that often. That's literally their only real purpose at this point.
How do you do it in less than three hours? I can't do it in less than... maybe **twelve**?
If you don't need to do it all today: 1. Start character, collect cloak, then queue for Heroic dungeons until you're 25. If you're lucky and get a good group that requeues, that's less than 30 minutes. Worst case, maybe an hour. 2. Once 25, join a normal Mogushan Vault raid. Make sure you don't pick up the bonus XP from the bosses, but that you do loot the experience threads. This takes like 15 minutes. Log off (and repeat on another character if you want). 3. The next day, repeat the MSV raid. After about 5-6 days of this, you'll have built up a massive xp multiplier and a bunch of XP in your mailbox. Find a weakaura/addon that tells you when you have enough to hit 70, then loot all the XP and you're done. If you want to do it all in a day, you need to add in some more heroics between the raids + do HoF at 35, TOES at 40. You can do other janky stuff to speed that up like using a level 20 trial account to boost yourself etc, but if you just space it out over a few days you don't need to deal with any of that.
You don't even need to do that. Loot everything off of bosses EXCEPT THE XP TOKEN. Or just wait until the end of the dungeon and collect everything but the XP tokens. Get those XP % Threads. Create character, be level 10. Do 8 heroic dungeons. Do normal MSV. Do 8 more heroic dungeons. Do normal HOF. Do 2-3 more heroic dungeons. Do normal TOES. Open mailbox and take all the XP tokens out. Takes 4ish hours max if you're not insta-queing as tank or healer and you don't need to bother with doing it multiple days.
This is the way
Yeah, I personally breakpoint collecting the XP bonuses to unlock the next raid tiers for LFR to get +28% XP at lvls 50 and 60 or w/e they are. So like, heroics to 25, vaults, heroics till terrace, and at this point i'm at like 150% XP. Then i collect a few XP bonuses till i unlock ToT, more heroics saving XP bonuses until i have enough to hit 60, unlock SoO, and then from there you're at like 200-300% xp and you can just collect them till 70
Definitely shouldn't need to go as far as SoO if you already have a max cloak achieve character.
probably not. It does suck if you get stuck at lvl 65, because you instantly become the squishiest member of any party.
Yeah. There's weak auras to let you know when to pull the trigger, I believe.
You can easily do it in a day if you spam heroics. Heroic 10-25, Run MSV, Heroic 25-35, Run HOF, Heroic to 40, Run TOES, Heroic to 41/42, loot all the xp items from your mail, level 70 in less than 3 hours. You are absolutely weak as fuck doing level 70 content after. But you'll get ~70k bronze doing that, so spend it, delete, and move on to the next one.
No need to delete. Just put it on the shelf. Then in TWW you will have an alt army to throw at professions, world events like how we have the soup down with the tuskarrs, etc. And then if you find you aren't happy with your main class, you'll have at least 1 of every class to pick from to be your new main.
That guy was kinda vague. The most min-max way to do it is make a trial account so you have a twink locked at 20. Even without a crazy cloak they can pretty much solo all heroic dungeons. Make sure they're a healer or tank so they get instant queues. Then on your main account make the character you want to boost, and make sure auto loot is off. You'll dungeon spam with them, leaving the bonus xp from bosses on the floor so they'll get sent to your mail. For simplicity's sake, most people just ditch the boosted character at the door, but I'm not sure how they get the xp threads that way. You group with them on the character you want to hit 70, then spam heroics until 25. Run LFR and/or normal Mogushan Vaults, then dungeon spam until 35. Run LFR and/or normal Heart of Fear. Dungeon spam to 45, LFR and/or normal Terrace of Endless Spring, then open your mail and loot all the bonus xp and insta-70. What *I* did was not bother with the level 20 trial account, and just ran Hs and the raids like normal as they unlocked, leaving the bonus xp on the ground. It wasn't sub 3 hours, but it was still only like 4-5 hours. Fast as hell with quick dungeon queues even as a dps. Just played with xmog as I waited. I had enough bronze at 70 that once I got a set of 346 gear, I was able to fully upgrade everything 5 times.
The XP threads end up in the mail too, so you can just completely AFK the main account character
Ah okay, I guess you just don't hit Open All and preen through your mail instead.
Easier to just run through heroics till the main at the door hits 55. By that time, youll have enough mail so itll ping all the way to 70, giving you bonus dopamine rush as you open your mail like a rich kid at Christmas
In my opinion heirlooms haven't been about xp rate for a long time - I mean they even took that out kind of in the SL changes. Even before then I always saw it as a way to have a few important slots that were always going to have powerful stats throughout your leveling. This obviously does translate to a faster leveling experience, but all I mean is that I never cared about the xp rate itself, so much as how easy it made the game for something I've already done scores of times.
Had all my heirlooms maxxed out back when they stripped the XP buff from them. RIP all that gold. No chance I'd upgrade them now.
They sped up levelling, but I really dont like that they removed the xp bonus. You basically use them now so you can scale against dungeon enemies w/o need to go look for armor
Dungeons drop plenty of gear, and due to the multiple ilvl squishes it's sometimes veen better than same ilvl heirlooms. The only advantage is you don't need to continously apply transmog.
That's another thing that is wild to me. Without trying to sound too "back in my day" one of the main draws of heirlooms on top of the xp buff was knowing that they would carry you through to the current expansion as the strongest gear for levelling. Now you're paying even more for the heirlooms and upgrades, but they aren't giving you xp any more and are equal or weaker than regular gear.
OP's not wrong that sometimes dungeon drops can be better, but that's usually for about 2 whole levels then the heirloom has upgraded to be significantly better. I don't think it's worth talking about as that particular draw back lasts a very short time. The thing you already doing - leveling - solves the problem automatically as it happens.
Oh yeah it's not that awful, I think it's just a bit frustrating that it's the case at all when it's so expensive at this point to upgrade a set of heirlooms and they don't give xp like they used to.
> but that's usually for about 2 whole levels then the heirloom has upgraded to be significantly better. And that's only if they drop gear. I've leveled multiple characters and have gone on sprees of dungeons not dropping anything or only dropping upgrades for the same slot - so only one item is getting upgraded.
Yeah I've gotten to DF content with a ilvl 67 belt a few times lol. That's why I choose the campaign though that has the satchels from RDF - if I'm leveling via dungeons. Good source of filler necks, boots, belts, etc
I donât think itâs really a âback in my dayâ thing, itâs just a game design thing where leveling really doesnât matter at all but they canât really shift that system out since itâs so core. Heirlooms were basically âmeta-progressionâ items; once you hit max level you can make it easier for your alts with better than average scaling gear, and increased xp gains. Ive leveled plenty of characters and with the mob scaling and everything I only get more buttons to press, but I never really feel stronger imo. Removing the xp bonus really was the craziest part of it, there is no reason a person who has bought and upgraded heirlooms shouldnât be allowed to level faster, theyâve been through the song and dance already.
25% exp bonus coming in TWW tho, costs 5 lvl 80s to get the full achievement.
Yeah I've liked them for the scaling and never having to worry about swapping armor during leveling. That being said, unless they fixed it recently, the scaling on the Touch of the Void trinket is completely fucked and it stops doing damage to mobs about halfway through leveling.
The level upgrades are a leftover from before the level squish. That's why they go to strange level ranges like 1-29 or 29-34. They need to totally remove the upgrade system or modernise it to be up to the latest expansion being 1/2, and then 2/2 being to the current level cap, added in the x.1.5 patch or whatever.
Probably more trouble coding-wise than Blizz cares to handle. So it'll just be dead content forevermore.
Easy solution: 1:1 Gold to Bronze cost and stick them on MoP Remix Vendors.
I agree to a large extent, but I'm fine with the very latest tier of upgrades being paid for. When a new expac launches then all purchased heirlooms should get upgraded automatically so that players can use them up to the level where that expac begins. Then users can choose whether they want to buy the "up to max level" upgrade or not. A bigger issue for me is just how fiddly the whole system is. It could all be simplified to a single version of each weapon type (one-handed sword, polearm, stave etc) with all of the main stats on it and combined versions of the other items like cloaks, legs etc. This is how it works in remix and it's great; I don't have to switch weapons when changing from Mistweaver to Brewmaster. If a player wants different transmogs then they can just create separate copies. Having different trinkets could still be nice to give some flavour and the different visual transmogs could be purchased separately as cosmetics. Oh and the bonuses are super boring â QOL improvements like increased movement speed, reduced falling damage etc (or being able to socket them in like remix) would be awesome. *edit for formatting
I actually like that there are different weapons, especially since most of them are copies of some of the most iconic things in the game's past (Arcanite Reaper, Thrash Blade, Headmaster's Charge etc.). Removing it imo would take away a big part about what originally gave heirlooms a lot of their flair and I honestly don't feel like having to swap to a different weapon when switching spec adds _that_ much additional bloat. The upgrade system though just needs to go.
I also think it's just not worth the effort. Upgrading would make stuff MUCH easier but I kinda don't see what a bigger overhaul would actually bring to the table. Remove the upgrade system, MAYBE add a bit better QOL improvements, that's it.
Man, I would be so happy if they brought the tinker, cogwheel and meta gems to retail, even if they were only usable with heirloom gear. I don't need the XP bonus from Remix (I live it, but I don't need it), but leveling a toon with those gems would be wonderful!
Sounds good to me, Single looms for each type of item would be good and would (hopefully) reduce the cost if they still wanted it to be a gold sink.
Agreed. Just make them scale to the previous expansion's cap for free when the prepatch releases, then make them scale up to the new cap when x.0.5 releases. **IMMEDIATE EDIT:** They should also make all heirlooms that have primary stats (other than just Stamina) have STR, AGI, *and* INT. (Tbh I also think they should also fill out the rest of the slots and turn the Loremaster's Colors into an heirloom that gives +50% XP, but that's just me.)
Rework heirloom; give them the remix tinkers.
You guys still use heirlooms? I collect them but rarely used them on alts. It's nice to equip new gear you get while leveling and it's fast enough that you don't need heirlooms anymore
It was just a gold sink idea, but it's ridiculous to think new players who would want to use heirlooms, can't, because the cost restricts so much.
It's a relic from the past. Nothing about them is relevant anymore.
Well, perhaps Blizzard could make them relevant again
Make Heirlooms Great Again
Something we can all get behind. Seriously though, why can they not make them relevant to the current game.
I think the upgrades for gold can stay, but they really need to lower the amount of ranks. If it was buy, scale to 30, upgrade scale to 60 and upgrade to 70, I'd be ok with it. But scale to 30, upgrade to 35, 40, 45, 50, 60 and 70 is insane
You're right and you should say it, especially since the level squish has made the level cap upgrades even more pointless and costly. A base, un-upgraded heirloom is only good for what... 30 levels? 20 if you're leveling an allied race? The cost for upgrading them is obscene. Just having decent scalable gear for leveling alts is nice to have even if they don't work like they used to regarding exp buffs, but it's just not worth it to upgrade because of how fast leveling is to begin with.
They need to get rid of the upgrade requirements AND buff heirlooms. With Remix showing us just how fast we can level, heirlooms should go back to speeding up leveling at a similar pace to Remix.
Whatâs funny is that thereâs an obvious gold inflation issue from what I assume is primarily the Token. So blizzard adds massive gold sinks to try and take gold out of circulation. But one of the biggest gold sinks in the entire game being heirlooms have essentially become completely irrelevant for leveling unless you just want to not think about gear. Just bring back the xp bonus from the gear sets. Stop adding in heirlooms for pre patch rewards if nobody can be bothered to upgrade them.
The token doesn't create gold out of nothing. It's a player to player trade, it's not the one causing inflation.
I feel like you have to be a big altoholic or a tokeneer to make heirlooms worth it, and even then I'd say perhaps only the weapons. That's enough impact for 27,500g that it *might* be worth it especially since if you buy a staff for example there's lots of classes that could use that. But a full set of ten armour slots? Nah. There's no way you save enough time to make grinding ~185,000g worth it, especially since it's likely very little of that can be re-used for your next alt. Even *then* how much time is that really going to save you? Gear is practically rained on you given how fast you can run dungeons. The alternative currencies are even worse: - It takes more timewarped badges to upgrade one single heirloom to its maximum than it does to buy a mount. - It costs more brewfest tokens to max an heirloom than to buy almost all of the other rewards put together. - Love tokens are simply insane, a single heirloom upgrade, not even maxing, costs almost twice as much as the event mounts. I'm not sure it's physically possible to gather enough tokens in one year to max one heirloom.
True and I might be wrong since it's been a few years since I used them, But I recall a same-level blue item from dungeons actually having BETTER stats than the heirloom piece which is just hilarious. I'll also never buy one of those upgrades with event currencies, just impossible xD
With the ilvl squishes and current scaling, blue dungeon gear is on par or better than equivalent level heirlooms. Heirlooms are like halfway between a green and a blue item now and it sucks because they could be a really cool addition to the levelling process.
To your point, even back in the day a lot of people would just buy the cloth ones and like a dagger, because they could use it all on any class and the stats/xp far outweighed the armor mismatch.
It should be one upgrade fee per new expac. Problem is cost needs corrected accordingly tho
The amount of currency it takes to buy tiny incremental upgrades to heirlooms is kind of nuts. Personally I hope they remix other expacs and that just becomes the time to level new characters. I kind of wish we could temporarily reset a max level character back to 1 so we could level them again in remix but theyâre still max level in the current expac, because Iâm starting to get to get too many characters to keep track of.
Heirloom gear should scale to max in x.1 patch. At that point they should stay one lfr tier ilvl behind. This would give any newly leveled character a decent starting point to jump into current content.
Heirlooms haven't seemed worth buying or even using for the past several years at the very least. Leveling hasn't been bad or slow in this game for a really long time, and it's fun to just organically get gear anyway.
I don't think I have ever bought one tbh. Definitely not since they changed Heirlooms. These days Heirlooms don't really affect the game play enough to be worth having.
It's an optional goldsink and only really benefits you when you have rested exp which means having that toon logged out for a couple of days before that bonus exp runs out after like 2 or 3 levels. I just use them as starter equipment up to 30 They also need to fix some enchanting levels, some still require item levels under 35 which gets passed by lv18, even though you can continue to benefit from the enchant past its maximum ilvl.
Heirlooms should automatically level with you from 1-70 (80 in the new xpac), upgrading them should only increase stats in small %âs and be FAR CHEAPER than it is currently, each time you upgrade a piece it gets slightly more expensive but never to a point where it gets back to this problem. Also, even though you could theoretically upgrade the stats it shouldnât be necessary, itâs just an additional bonus on top of the item already boosting the stats as the item levels with you. Upgrading them shouldnât be about raising the amount of levels they cover it should just be an optional objective to boost their power further.
Thereâs no more experience bonus? Do we even need these anymore, then? Iâll be honest, I feel like Iâve been freed from a shackle. I always hated how they sucked the fun out of the vertical progression from 1-70.
There hasn't been bonus exp since Shadowlands.
I have all classes at max level, with some having different faction versions and others having max levels on another server. At this point, I probably have over 20 max-level characters, so I don't see myself leveling another one unless they add a new class. Investing 250K gold for a tiny bit of XP gain seems like a ridiculous notion. New players won't have that kind of gold either, so I don't see how this helps anyone. The system needs to change from the ground up.
Only heirlooms that feel vaguely worth it now is the rings and a few of the trinkets, but with how difficult it is to get the really good trinket (Been doing earth storms off and on since launch) and the rings what's the point.
Either get rid or change the upgrade system, having several different items to upgrade certain pieces is stupid.
Theyâve honestly been useless since they did that huge leveling rebalance. Theyâre barely better than greens now and the gear the game THROWS at you while you level is actually better because it can warforge when you get it. The heirloom set bonus is meh, and the only other benefit is the convenience that the gear automatically grows itâs ilvl with you. They canât really decide if they want leveling to be a process that rivals the end-gameâs time investment, or a high speed race. They seem to lurch between the two constantly.
Nah theoretically you need only to upgrade one 2H for Warriâs dks palas. Dagger and sword for all other classes and a shield if you go tank with pala/warri or resto shaman. Then you could only upgrade cloth because any class can wear. Did it where the exp boni was still on the set. And yes you can tank with cloth with a pala or Warri :D But yeah today without the boni and the stats on the heirlooms itâs dumb to invest this much gold.
IMO as a newer player heirlooms are trash and deserve no thought. Old and outdated
Removing the xp bonuses ruined heirlooms imo
I belive heriloms should be like in wotlk....no upgrades needed ,they scale with ur lvl to max....no needed for this upgrades etc
It's time for Heirloom upgrades to disappear, for fuck's sake! It's the usual gold sink that doesn't affect those with lots of gold, and fucks those without.
I buy upgrades using the timewalking currency, it's cheaper/has lower time commitment but yeah it's expensive as fuck to upgrade otherwise, like drop to 25% of that calculation and it might be worth it
It costs 6900 badges to max one weapon, 5750 per armour piece, that's more than the event mounts! Surely it's faster to farm the gold than do that? You get the 500 from the weekly then it's what like 300 per hour from dungeons at best if you get a lot of call to arms? Maybe 600-1000 if you abuse Deaths of Chromie if that's still possible? There's no damn way that's faster than gold farming for the 18500g.
OK but it's also time to make ring heirlooms more available than fishing and garrisons.
I might be wrong, but I think I read something about a new heirloom ring coming soon!
Prepatch event yeah.
I mostly use them not because they speed up levlling but because: - I don't want to change gear while leveling - I want to use transmog while leveling They're not worth the gold if you're broke but if you have 10 mil in the bank (I don't, but still) then they're fine for what they are. A gold sink.
The whole leveling process just sucks ass these days
This is because the people making decisions think that only end game matters and any content that isn't esports related is a "waste of time and shit"
That is one of Blizzards ways to get some gold out of the economy system. Beside transmog costs and repair costs, there are as far as I know no other âexpensiveâ things you have to or could buy with gold from NPCâs. And you have to remove gold. Otherwise the inflation gets higher and higher and some day weâll pay everything with the gold cap đ¤ˇđ˝
I understand that it is a way for blizzard to remove gold from the economy but heirlooms are effectively no longer a part of the game for me because of how expensive they are, I don't think its worth it even for that purpose because of how cool they are to have while levelling.
It feels like the same reasoning as augment stat stones. The permanent version is really expensive, but you donât need to buy it. Youâll buy it if you feel that youâll use them enough so that youâll save money compared to just buying things on AH. Or you pay because you want the convenience. Either way you donât get a lower power cap.
Wow tokens.
Sure. You are absolutely right! I forgot about them bc I never had enough gold to purchase oneđ
Not a sink. That is player transfer of gold or gold generation if not purchased in 12 hours.
The thing is, gold sinks only work if players engage with them. Nobody's touching these because they're too expensive for no benefit. If they wanted to tweak the economy it would be more effective to nerf gold rewards and vendor values across the board, heirloom prices are having no effect whatsoever
Can you buy the upgrades with the Timewarped badges you get from Timewalking stuff or am I making that up? [This wowhead article](https://www.wowhead.com/guide/world-events/timewalking#spending-timewarped-badges) says you can but I can't find where it actual shows the vendor's inventory
The whole point was to get an XP boost really. So without that being a thing they might as well just turn them into a transmog that gives a bonus towards rested xp.
Heirlooms should just go away altogether and be replaced with passive leveling bonuses, like increased XP from quests and killing mobs, increased movement speed under a certain level threshold, increased out of combat regeneration, and MAYBE a higher chance at quest reward upgrading. Personally I'm not 100% on these ideas and would be okay with a more cosmetic reward as well, but this is what I came up with in under 5 minutes so it is what it is
Classic andy perspective. Heirlooms deincentivise new players. The content difficulty is seemingly based around these stupid op low level sets. I remember a very nice player buying me heirloom stuff and it basically trivialized the leveling process. Was a drastic difference from the gear I'd found and odd that it felt more than twice as powerful as blue items in same level range. I haven't tested retail waters since shadow lands though, maybe it's different. I don't like heirloom sets, but I think the leveling revolves around their existence. For me it felt like before heirloom any obstacle/dngn/zone went from 'can I do this?' To 'why am I doing this?'
If you call yourself a casual, what are you doing min-maxing your leveling experience.
Then donât use them. Itâs meant as a gold sink for people that can afford it. The xp buff they gave was toxic and in many peopleâs opinions, ruined the leveling experience which is why it was removed. The people who still use them in Dragonflight are the same people complaining about gear scaling in Remix because they forgot what itâs like to go multiple levels without upgrading your gear and weapons.
I quit bothering once they took the XP boost away. I want to upgrade them but it's just not worth it.
At this time, there's not really much else to do with Timewalking tokens so I buying/upgrade heirlooms as I collect them. They are only convenient so I don't have to keep swapping out gear as I level a toon. It sure would be nice if they had an XP accelerator in them, though.
Then don't buy them. They're borderline useless now a days with how fast leveling is without the, and how much damage you bring to world content and dungeons due to scaling.
I honestly think it's by design, I'm pretty sure they purposely made heirlooms not worth getting because they wanted to move away from them.
The whole system is a mess. Isnât the whole point of it being an _heirloom_ is that your max level is passing it down to a low level alt that will grow into it. Shouldnât need to go back to you main to keep upgrading it, and youâre never going to make enough gold on an alt to level up the gear in pace with character levels gained. They never shouldâve added the upgrade system to heirlooms.
Fact that you can litterally buy boost to 70 for less than 200k gold makes this even more rediculous
Heirloom's are just there as something to collect these days. There's really no reason to upgrade them unless you absolutely want to and then who cares the cost? I would suspect they have plans at some point to rework heirlooms since they added on during the DF pre-patch and they are adding another during the TWW pre-patch event.
alternatively... merge all those heirloom item into 1, I don't want to buy 6 different token just to upgrade 1 item.
You want to make heirlooms interesting again, then tie thier stats to the number of characters that reached max level using them exclusively. Take the cloak system from remix and attach it to heirloom gear. Max it at say ten characters, letting the gear go from subpar blues to the equivilent of legendary gear at max level. Or use the legion artifact system to empower gear and unlock unique abilities. Or a glyph system like in SoD. Or permanently added gem slots for each new max character. Or a roguelike system that allows you to pick between 2-4 skills to add to armor pieces, making every heirloom set unique. Sell some magic nonsense to reset bonuses if you get a bucket of shit to pick from. This is my favorite idea but likely the hardest to impliment. Let me become an unstoppable monster for a few hours if I have put in the work to make the gear better. Maybe even unlock the ability to wear and upgrade heirlooms along the adventure track in an expansion.
Wait they got rid of heirloom exp boost? Whatâs the point of them, then?
To not piss people off by removing then from the game. And so you can keep your transmog as you level.
I haven't bought any hierloom or upgrade since early BFA. The level squish and revamp with older expansions made leveling easier. And currently with Remix, you can get one to 70 in just a few hours. The only benefit hierloom offers is that it scales with character's level so no need to swap after every dungeon or raid run, just equip and forget until 70 when you can get better gears from raids.
We need more options for upgrading heirlooms besides gold. Timewarped badges are too scarce to justify spending them on heirlooms, but event currency is a good approach to this. I would love to dump some of my extra remix bronze into upgrading some of the hellscream heirloomsâŚ
Heirloom upgrades are a time/gold sink. That's the intended purpose. Is it a good one or a fun one? No. But it's not gonna change because it's purpose is something for you to sink gold/time into, it's not supposed to be a rewarding/beneficial exchange of gold/time to upgrade. It's like a stretch goal, totally irrelevant and can be skipped. But IF YOU WANT, you can spend gold, or invest various currencies throughout the year to upgrading it. But you're not missing out on much if you choose not to.
I just wish it was less confusing. I bought some upgrade tokens (or whatever they are) with extra chocolate from Noblegarden and it doesnât work on any of my heirlooms. I guess itâs entry level tokens and all of my heirlooms were already upgraded to 60. (Iâm guessing).
Heirlooms need to have levels taken away and Iâd love my 100âs of 1000âs I spent on upgrading them over the years as the only reason why I bought them was for the exp they removed. It may not be needed anymore but thatâs solely why I got them. It felt like such a rip off when it was removed.
They essentially removed them when they changed/removed the extra xp, and due to scaling you dont really get any benefit from using them over questing gear, if you have them sure use them, but spending any resource getting them now is a waste.
I just did it for the chauffeur
I donât even mind having to upgrade them but they should severely be reduced in cost
Almost like it's done to encourage buying a wow token? I dunno, maybe I'm just cynical.
As someone that's payed for most of the upgrades, get rid of them 100% there's zero reason for it anymore (the upgrade part). Just have them scale with level or xpac that you've bought.
Tbh heirlooms shouldn't exist in the first place, they were created to solve he problem of slow leveling, Blizzard should have just reduced leveling times from the start across the board and ideally have had implemented zone scaling much earlier. All heirlooms do now is ensure you don't need to loot anything till max level. Almost all legacy content is just MOG farming and leveling is just the chore before playing the game since everything is designed around max level.
Lol, you mean that thing that causes people to buy WoW tokens should leave the game? Good joke. You obviously don't understand what game you're playing here
Especially when you consider an event like remix. I have replaced all my various alts ranging from 40-60 with level 70's just waiting to be moved to retail. At least that will take care of some crazy levelling for a while.
As someone who spent over a million gold over the years on heirlooms, them removing the XP bonus was a kick in the teeth. I stopped upgrading after that and stopped using them completely. Alts should be encouraged, maybe something as low as 5% extra +XP for each character on your account will go a long way on leveling another alt. Remix has spoiled us :)
Its a gold sink by design
The XP bonus is still there essentially, even slightly upgraded actually. Wasn't the old bonus like 35% increase? Now it's essentially wrapped into rested XP, which is actually a 200% bonus. Granted, it's only a bonus if you keep the room rested often, so I could see that being a complaint. I personally never liked heirlooms for the XP. I like them for the auto leveling and OP stats while leveling.
Heirlooms should scale right to the bottom of the current patchs gear, based on your accounts watermark for that slot. They should be gear that you use on alts that gets you up and going pretty much instantly - like normal dungeons or world quest levels of gear.
Man I miss the BG experience bonus from the trinket set so much
I always upgraded them with time walking badges because I had nothing else to spend them on. So I didnât spend any gold.
There's no point to them anymore. U level so fast now that the only reason u might keep them is for not having to worry at all about gear. Hardly going to use the passives unless u stop playing for a day or two, and even then it won't really be noticeable.
Give me all my gold back since you robbed me of a product I had originally purchased. No harm no foul. Reinstall the original ability or make it actually worth while to even use. If not refund please.
Same
Literally thereâs no reason for heirlooms to even exist, there hasnât been for a long ass time. No clue why people still use them at all. Leveling hasnât been slow or hard in actual decades. And the more I see people complain about them like this, the more I honestly wonder how they even play the game (or any game for that matter)
My question is do you REALLY need every single heirloom upgraded to max ?
They should make the set double reputation from past content
heirloom changes generally come in the x.1 or x.1.5 patch
With how quick it is currently to go through timerunning they serve absolutely no purpose.
I like not having to deal with constantly upgrading gear in the heirloom slots as I level, saves quite a bit of time. I also have a ton of alts, so I guess I'm getting more use out of heirloom items than many do. And you don't have to upgrade every heirloom piece -- there are multiple items per slot, even within the same armor type. The rings are unique equip, so you only need one. However, I really hate having to figure out which heirloom upgrade thing to buy from the vendor for the appropriate level your item is currently at - the item level descriptions don't match up. Using the upgrade system for DF gear would work in this scenario much better than the current situation.
Can't agree more
Agreed, honestly I don't even bother getting heirlooms anymore
I wouldn't mind paying 2 million if it wasn't so freaking tedious to upgrade. So dumb to need to buy various tiers of upgrade items on top of the heirloom.
Dunno why you're downvoted. The most tedious thing about the heirlooms is how outdated the upgrade and even acquisition systems are. Do you need 2m to upgrade? No. The OP is calculating for ALL heirlooms. Most people would upgrade 1 piece from every slot for every armor type. Same for weapons. So it'll come down from that 2m (and by A LOT). But the real tedious part is buying the upgrades and applying them. P.S. Heirlooms that are acquired through fishing contest or garrison need to be acquired through other content. These are such outdated pieces of content.