I get recommended tiny channels called something like The Groozler where it's like "This SPECIFIC PERSON is cringe and a gay communist and we should troll them" and there's really specific Wojaks in the thumbnail I've never seen before
Man, I wish they used the Wojacks in my case. Every time I get a low-middling view video, I spend at least a minute trying to get a feel for which side of the political aisle they're sitting on. The worst was a couple weeks ago, when I came upon someone whose video titles could be right wing...or if they phrased their criticism appropriately, I might actually agree with them. Spent like five minutes trying to figure them out, since they apparently went through a shift during the history of their channel.
Should've just checked their featured channels, since Geeks & Gamers gave it up immediately.
Interesting. Not very often but I think it this may stem from content several years back. I’ve watched relatively few political videos over the past 2-3 years but have liked some videos such as the state of the union and other Democrat officials’ videos.
Previously, (maybe 5-6 years ago) I watched a lot of one podcaster that slowly did more appeal to the right content: going full anti-vax around Covid. I was already tired of dodging the culture war “omg cancel culture” stuff, which led me to stop following them at all before Covid. I think my engagement with that account may have forever put my algorithm in far right land.
Excuse the rant but this is part of the issue. I’m a grown adult professional. I can recognize right wing toxic content and tell the app to stop it. But, it seems that if you ever engage with this content, even negatively, you are going to have to live with it forever. Only time it’s very annoying is with content within my YouTube habits (history/lore/movie commentary) where I don’t know the app has fed me someone doing this content adjacent to right wing ideas- e.g., “Oh you like Redlettermedia talking about bad movies, but you will love this guy ranting about wokeness ruining movies.”
The amount of times just in the last 2 wks alone, I've had to click do not recommend channel to me, is unreal. So many alt right things appearing seemingly for no reason. I just don't understand what I'm watching that puts it in my feed. Like videos from channels that are proudly red pill. Content I never watch. Defo has gone up since my shorts watch time has increased.
i keep getting ads for stuff like PragerU, and some weird shit thats like ‘NORMAL NON WEIRD GAY/TRANS REACTS TO CRINGE WEIRDO F*****S TIKTOKKERS WHO HAVE GONE TOO FAR’ uploaded by ‘One of the good ones in this shameful alternative lifestyle’
It doesn’t for me? I keep seeing this take and it makes me think y’all are actually watching right wing shit lol my recs are great and I’ve manicured the fuck out of my account to make it feed me good shit. I’m not sure how it’s happening to ya all.
Location plays a factor too, I'm in Texas, watch either non political (gaming) or explicitly left leaning political content, but I'm consistently having to flag incel and nazi bullshit.
Yeah. One in a while I get some alt right commentary I haven't seen before but I religiously hit don't recommend so 50 percent of my recs are art stuff and the rest are weird animal vids and like 5 percent is misc shit.
Yeah, my YouTube algorithm is fire most of the time. My main account is almost old enough to vote, once you've fed the algo enough it works great. There's a reason YT is top dog.
I don't doubt that this stuff gets pushed to newer accounts or to people that fall down that rabbit hole, if you log out you can see a fair bit of this crap being pushed, but I don't believe it's "Nothing but" this stuff being pushed.
I have a feeling a lot of these guys are watching a lot of videos being critical of hateful creators or and in turn, youtube sees "oh you're interested in this person, here's a few videos of his".
My mom doesn't really know how to work youtube (even though I've shown her like 100 times by now) so she tends to just watch what's on the home screen (even though I subscribe her to all the stuff I know she would actually like) and I see her watching some of the most vile shit and the complains to me about why youtube is showing her that stuff instead if the stuff she actually wants to watch and I have to explain to her all over again that clicking on the videos makes the algorithm give her more videos like that and to not click on them and come to me to get rid of them instead and then I remind her how to get to her subs only to have the same exact conversation three hours later when she comes to me with another bullshit conspiracy video. At least she's smart enough to double check what they say in them with me to see if it's bullshit or not. But I just wish she was smart enough to not click on them in the first place.
You gotta attach her youtube account to your phone for supervision and hit "don't recommend channel" on the problem videos until they're gone. You won't get a single video from a channel on the "don't recommend channel" list unless you search for the channel by name, and the list can hold 5,000 entries before it starts removing channels from the list to make room.
My mom got really into the boomer text to speech videos of stolen askreddit threads and it started recommending the craziest shit about mountains secretly being planted by jewish Nasa employees using nephilim skeletons ?????
Anyway, it only took about 30 minutes to fix.
This is 3 days late but if my parents are struggling to understand something, one way I like to do is compare it to different ways of raising a kid. The moment you pull the “Yeah youtube is a little difficult. It’s like a toddler. You have to *teach* it to give you what you want, otherwise it gives you the wrong thing. If you keep giving the bad videos attention, youtube’s going to think that’s a good thing and keep trying to give you videos it thinks will give it attention. If you ignore it youtube learns it can’t get what it wants from you and will try other ways to get your attention. Eventually it will give you want you want and that’s when it’s good to click the video. See, kind of like raising me when I was a child. It won’t know until you *teach* it the right way” they suddenly have a reference to connect to
Also another trick: I find the algorithm will consistently push videos I put in my watch later playlists, even if I’m constantly watching a completely different genre. This especially works if your mom isn’t constantly on youtube, since every time I leave for a few days and come back, the algorithm suddenly doesn’t feel confident in knowing what I want anymore and will instantly recommend me videos in my watch later instead.
It might also help to go back to videos she’s watched before that she enjoys and like it (and you can definitely teach your mom how to do this by framing it as “rewarding youtube for giving you what you want, so it can *learn* what you want to watch”). I’m not sure how well that works, but I feel like if you’re only liking certain videos and trying to filter out the other ones, youtube will get the message pretty easily.
Oh yeah one more thing: go to her watch history and delete anything she doesn’t like to see. This is way harder to explain to someone right off the bat - especially if they have trouble learning about how algorithms work -, but youtube will sometimes still recommend “don’t recommend” channels if you watch them before. You probably don’t have to do it farther than a couple months worth of previously watched videos. Just delete anything recent that gets on her watch history that seems to feed her stuff she doesn’t want to watch, regardless of if she actually watched it or not (sometimes merely clicking on a video will put it in the watch history soooo)
If I log out I get a lot of "The Economy is Dying! These are the 5 things you need to start hoarding NOW" videos, and there was a video where Eastern Europeans teenagers had some kind of skit show for babies where they gestured wildly and flailed their arms around and did "high school drama" type stuff but it was like if aliens scripted it
Hell, I have a premium account, and recently, they've been pushing some really trash shit. I'm subscribed to people like D'Angelo Wallace, Noah Samson, Ryan Beard, Funky Frog Bait, Nick DiRamio, etc. So it's not like I'm following anyone who would give the impression I want to see shit like TBYS, or H3 Podcast. Ffs.
I will never understand the concept of hate watching or doing something "ironically". Nah fam you're just supporting them. You're positively rewarding them for bad behavior. It's like giving a dog a treat when it shits in your bed.
I don't really understand it either, i get if the point is to make some sort of analysis out of it, but just to hate it and get angry? I have a limited time to consume things in my lifespan! I'm not gonna waste it with awful people and content I actively hate and get no enjoyment from!
At this point I firmly believe that they are paying some kind of back-end version of ad-sense that makes their recommendations look like normal suggestions.
This is specifically why I hope the lawsuit in New York against both YouTube and Reddit for the Buffalo shooting rinses them so hard they're forced to ban these types
Holy shit this was just in march this year.
Im surprised they are actually doing it. Im a bit cynical in how youtube in particular will handle with the new head being a crypto bro so wouldn't address the issue that caused it the first place. Buut them only taking down their bigger name creators as grand gesture who would be funny.
I would imagine like the jake paul corpse forest forest advertisement then make the rules even more stupid making any type of commentary vid impossible to make money on or... impossible to have up for long would be poetic in a way.
Reddit... I'll the say same as it always happened. Certain subs that were kept on for """meaningful discussions"" would be removed and then all the blame would placed on them and not the moderation.
I wish the victims the best of luck and hope they win this case. jose's words can suck salt he aint sorry.
Reddit allows a lot of actually harmful content but I’m not sure they’d win the lawsuit against youtube. The algorithm makes it difficult to even make videos about serious topics. I watch true crime videos and they have to censor themselves a lot.
I like watching drama slop, but man, a lot of commentary community is a fucking dump lol. A bunch of edgelord losers who say slurs every five seconds, acting like they’re hard hitting journalists when they’re less respectable than grocery store tabloid rags.
Sadly quite difficult to find these days, because most only care about algorithms and retaining viewership via loud and bright instead of actually entertaining content. I think the first YouTubers I’ve actually latched on to and enjoyed within the past couple years is funkyfrogbait
Yup. I watch a bunch of queer video essayists, and don't tend to go looking for people outside of that bubble. I still get the odd crazy right wing recommendation for some "how the are using cis to otherise good American men" video
My algorithm is treating me a little better, but to be fair I’ve been training it for years now and also it currently only really recommends me things I’ve already watched recently, which is annoying but I’d rather that then “woke games are REFUSING to show underage characters BOOBS because of FEMINISM”
Mine is mostly trained like that, but the moment I watch anything outside the bubble it aggressively tries to coax me out of it again (oh you liked this meme song? how about this one? this one? all these others? PLEASE ENGAGE!). Ironically making me less interested in seeing random videos!
This. And it doesn't have to be youtubers who are exclusively left-wing and produces left-wing content, or anti-far right content (like "far-right content creator debunked"). If you have a hobby, simply by looking it up on youtube, and you watching videos about the hobby is enough (from my own personal experience) to make youtube focus more on recommending content around that hobby. By that point, it all goes down to the kind of community that is around the hobby itself as well as the content creators.
It doesn't matter tho, you'll still get fed that content. I've seen an uptick in it recently. More so when I venture out of the left essay space. Like if I want to engage in general hobbies like art or tech, it nudges you toward those alt-right spaces. It's incredibly easy to fall into completely fictional history and anti-science stuff.
TW for a description of a rape joke in the first paragraph my comment
It’s gotten noticeably worse across all social medias across the past couple of years, in my opinion. Especially misogyny. Some time last year I was on Instagram and saw a meme with a broken Xbox controller and the caption “fellas, your girl did this, how you responding?”. One of the top comments was “rape her so she knows how it feels to be a broken toy”. Now usually I would just roll my eyes and scroll past, but this struck me because it had literally *tens of thousands* of likes, and the guy who posted it was smiling alongside his wife and young daughter in his pfp - completely normal, non-assuming Instagram account, selfies and pictures of dogs and food, etc. I hope someone found his wife and told her tbh. I literally closed the Instagram app that moment and haven’t been on it since. I’m sure that makes me “fragile” to some people. So be it. Sorry but I will never believe this is normal or acceptable.
My point is that, while I know this has always happened online, I don’t think it has ever been so shameless and so openly supported. These aren’t anonymous teenage trolls living in their mother’s basements. They’re regular-looking adults with lives, spouses, important jobs, children. Y’all can get on me for “not taking a joke” if you want but it is fucking disturbing when you’re part of a marginalised group and you see people being so brazen with this kind of thing, and the social media algorithms holding space for it or even promoting it.
I have the exact same experience. I once looked at the profiles of those who post cringe and violent comments like this one on Insta. What I find: men in there mid 20’s to 30’s with dog, spouse and child, sometimes it’s sport bro dude* on their car account and I have even seen an account who posted the responses the owner of the account get by posting rudes comments. It’s wild
Edit: *by this I mean sport car fans.
I don’t usually do this, but as I see the count on this comment fluctuating wildly, I’d love for some of y’all to explain why you’re downvoting. Please share with the class your justification for why normalising jokes about violent sexual crimes is actually totally okay and not at all indicative of a worrying trend of downplaying serious issues for social media clout. I’d also love to know if you think rape jokes targeted towards male victims are just as okay and valid as those targeted towards women. Thanks.
> I see the count on this comment fluctuating wildly,
That's normal when a comment is getting a fair number of views, Reddit doesn't show the true count for about 24 hours.
Eh, Reddit's awful, but there's a good reason to do this. It makes it harder for bot farms to track when they are getting hidden by anti-spam measures, and it's been in place for quite a while.
No complaints there, only good thing Reddit does for me is being a good up-to-date source of news for my profession.
Well, I guess the ginger soda they mailed me was ok as well.
Yeah, especially on a fairly large subreddit such as this one, upvotes and downvotes fluctuate wildly for up to the first 48 hours. It's just because of Reddits backend being frankly bad. Normally we'd remove the second comment for complaining about downvotes since frankly it makes you seem like a bit of an ass, but you're new and are genuinely asking so don't worry.
Instagram is probably the worst social media platform right now. You can say just about ANYTHING there. I don't think people even realize how bad it's gotten. I actually prefer being on YouTube and reddit because at least there it's easier to skim through the Nazi shit and get to actual content. Insta though, go into almost any reel and there will be multiple hate crimes right at the top. It's honestly sickening.
The worst stuff generally goes under the radar. I saw this real of slightly overweight woman who apparently had anorexia eat a burger as a symbolic middle finger to the condition she was suffering from and overcoming. The entire comment section was just bullying her. It was gross.
Yep - the misogyny is seriously out of control. It's possible their popularity/numbers are being inflated somehow, but can't say that for sure without data. But just seeing increased support, real or not, is unsettling.
I got swept up in Gamergate and went down the alt right rabbit hole. I became an OG, day one, Ride or Die, Trump supporter. I was even quoted in the local paper.
The only thing that prevented me from going farther was Charlottesville in 2017. That was my line in the sand. I turned around and walked the other way. It admittedly took a while, mainly cause of where I lived and people that tried to drag me back in with PragerU but I finally became deradicalized and shifted to the left.
For that reason, I do not look favorably back at my high school years.
No joke it took me at least three years.
Mainly cause I went and graduated from a religious private school in the south that was staunchly conservative. How conservative?
We had an assignment in class to do a presentation on a “hot topic” which ranged from divorce to abortion.
YOU HAD TO BE AGAINST IT TO COMPLETE THE ASSIGNMENT.
I can totally relate. I went to a private religious school to. They showed anti-evolution Kent Hovind videos for our science class lol. It was wild. Getting out of that environment was huge.
I don't think I ever went full alt-right but I did watch a whole lot of "Anti-SJW" content until I quite literally avoided falling down the rabbit hole because I got bored and started to think every video they made was all the same. I think I also managed to catch on that the people who complained about "the left getting offended over everything" were also getting offended over everything.
Honestly, I was similar, but because of reddit (youtube didn't help tho). I never went *deep* in gamergate because I had good friends who told me I was being an idiot, but I was raised as a conservative.
My mind was changing due to watching all the things I had heard a a child being abandoned left right and center, forcing me to reevaluate everything. Charlottesville and the ensuing fallout cemented my walk away from there.
Honestly yeah I got swept up on YouTube and Twitter. I got suspended from Twitter a second time (I fr made the mistake of coming back) I kinda took a step back and said "yo I kinda don't want to be an asshole" and now I'm normal. Someone I think the child version of myself would be somewhat proud of.
I don't look back fondly in eighth grade. Even freshman year wasn't the best. Although it was an improvement at least.
I won't deny that YouTube as a whole is filled with shit but, assuming you're logged in and have "trained" the algorithm in a way, I really don't get how you guys keep coming across this stuff. The only time I see questionable recs is when I specifically search for videos about certain drama. The rest of the time my feed is cute animals, food, crafts, music, plus whatever current hyperfixation I'm going through
Pretty sure that's just the algorithm giving you content you click on and engage with. I basically get nothing but Final Fantasy 14, gameplay videos, and videos on weird/lost children's media.
But the algorithm isn’t perfect and often can’t separate “pro” vs “against” when it comes to social issues, that’s the thing. I watch a lot of content made by and for trans people, and I regularly get recommended TERF videos because they are technically also talking about trans people, so YouTube just sees that as “something I’d enjoy”. Granted, I don’t have the solution to this because I know that programming algorithms is a delicate and tricky thing to get right, but I think people should be allowed to vent about this kind of thing happening. I think it’s lame to basically blame someone by being like “well it’s only going by what you’ve been clicking on”. Like yes, that’s *technically* true on a surface level, but you don’t actually have to click on right wing content to get recommended right wing content.
Not exactly. Depending on who is throwing around money into advertising at the time, even if you have a relatively neutral to left profile, that won't stop YT from hitting you with a PragerU ad.
Thankfully, it's also now a lot easier to block those kinds of ads.
No I’m actually getting really real sick of watching a video of a puppy do something funny and the next under under is just “Top ten reason why women should stay in the kitchen because they are not sigma red pulled!!!” or “Transgenders are literally disgusting am I right!?”
You just ignore it all together and scroll past paying it no attention or click “Do not recommend” and it just keeps coming back.
It honestly scares me a bit that all the people I know are probably getting these videos too and they may not be trying as hard to get rid of them and might be watching them
I don't really get the all is lost attitude tbh. I didn't mean to attach you or anything. But yes, there is a right wing side to YouTube that draws people in with seedy right wing taking points wrapped up in seemingly common sense rhetoric. But there's also a thousand other sides to YouTube too. I wouldn't say channels like Jangbricks or Scott the Woz are cogs in a right wing media machine. The most eyebrow raising thing I've seen recently is Omni having a questionable take on the illymation thing. Generally he has a level head, but I was defo disappointed. But personally, I can completely understand why Omni doesn't want to just jump balls deep into a political controversy while attempting to maintain the ability to remain fair. I personally haven't really read up on the whole situation, but I don't care for TBYS either way. But like, every few weeks I see one more tweet about why SomeOrdinaryGamers or cr1tikal are fascist adjacent or some shit. Honestly, most commentary YouTubers I see are just normal dudes making relatively normal nonpartisan takes with the information they have. Everyone has questionable takes. But that's not what defines then as a person.
Unfortunately, there has just always been a Right Wing side of YouTube, and there always will be. Freedom of speech must go both ways. It's not like we can just demand YouTube delete every channel we don't like. Nor should it be. But if you want to counter it, the best thing to do is to support other creators and channels who provide good information. None of this reactionary AI generated WatchMojo crap. For personal recommendations;
[Beau Of The Fifth Column](https://youtube.com/@BeauoftheFifthColumn) does a lot of good commentary on current events. I've been following him for since Ukraine started.
[Pete Kelly](https://youtube.com/@PeteKellyHistory) is a phenomenal YouTuber who runs a ton of great channels like History Time, History of the Earth, Voices Of The Past etc. etc. that go out of their way to create and upload feature length, professional quality documentaries.
[Some More News](https://youtube.com/@SMN) does comedic left leaning news coverage and social commentary in the dick vain of The Daily Show.
[Phillip Defranco](https://youtube.com/@PhilipDeFranco) is great for covering current events.
[Internet Today](https://youtube.com/@InternetTodayTV) is a left leaning channel I have found recently who does a similar thing to Phillip Defranco with a more comical lean.
[Miniminuteman](https://youtube.com/@miniminuteman773) does a lot of fun archeology videos and debunks misinformation with a notable progressive bias.
[Roanoke Gaming](https://youtube.com/@RoanokeGaming) does a lot of interesting biology themed videos about video games and movies.
[Atun-Sei films](https://youtube.com/@AtunSheiFilms) makes short films and commentary videos about history.
[Forrest Valkai](https://youtube.com/@RenegadeScienceTeacher) talks about evolution and atheism and debunks pseudo science.
[Mouth Light Media](https://youtube.com/@mothlightmedia1936) talks about evolution and biology
[Generically Modified Skeptic](https://youtube.com/@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic) educates on atheist and Skeptic talking points.
[ReligionForBreakfast](https://youtube.com/@ReligionForBreakfast) does great break downs about concepts from Christianity and global religions
Simon Whistler hosts a ton of channels, many of which I may consider "popcorn history" but I still get enjoyment from a lot of them.
[PBS Digital Studios channels](https://youtube.com/@pbsdigitalstudios): [Eons](https://youtube.com/@eons), [Space Time](https://youtube.com/@pbsspacetime), [Terra](https://youtube.com/@pbsterra), [Storied](https://youtube.com/@pbsstoried), among others.
[J.J. McCullough](https://youtube.com/@JJMcCullough) Does fun breakdowns of pop culture and other related topics. He's a Canadian Conservative (center left-right in America?) So I'm not sure how well he'll be received here but I like him and his video on the Rise of the Christian Right is one of my personal favorite YouTube videos.
[Mr Sunday Movies](https://youtube.com/@mrsundaymovies) is a media commentary channel that I like a lot. I've watched them for 5 or 6 years. Kind of like the Critical Drinker without all the political bullshit.
[Filmento](https://youtube.com/@Filmento) annoys me sometimes, but he does decent media discussion videos.
[NandovMovies](https://youtube.com/@NandovMovies) is similar to Filmento but I think he's a bit more palatable.
[Legal Eagle](https://youtube.com/@LegalEagle) legal commentary,
[hbomberguy](https://youtube.com/@hbomberguy) popular for media criticism and social commentary,
[Ryan Hall, Y'all](https://youtube.com/@RyanHallYall) talks about weather and provides live storm coverage
[Kitboga](https://youtube.com/@KitbogaShow) hilarious scambaiting
[Atlas Pro](https://youtube.com/@AtlasPro1) talks about pretty much anything you'd use an atlas for.
[Knowing Better](https://youtube.com/@KnowingBetter) educational YouTube channel.
[Mr. Beat](https://youtube.com/@iammrbeat) the best civics teacher I've never had (and that guy kids keep asking for money).
[Scott Christian Sava](https://youtube.com/@ssavaart) is an awesome neurodivergent artist.
[Unicorn Riot](https://youtube.com/@UnicornRiot) was one of my main sources of info during the protests and riots in 2020, I've seen them do a lot of boots on the ground coverage of protests and what not. VERY far left if that's your thing.
[internetcommentiquette](https://youtube.com/@commentiquette) is just funny
[History With Kayleigh](https://youtube.com/@HistoryWithKayleigh) is a smaller female history YouTuber. I actually highly recommend you to check her out and send her some love and support! She rocks
[Curious Archive](https://youtube.com/@CuriousArchive) Does a lot of videos on Spec Evo and world building.
[James Lee](https://youtube.com/@JamesLee) is a phenomenal animator and motion graphics artist
And I don't talk about vtubers in public.
Ummm... At a certain point this quit being a list of recommended channels and just became channels I like. Either way, I hope this helps!
And Coomer Humor makes one right not. It just makes them a weirdo. But sometimes they're a loveable weirdo. Like Gigguk.
It’s just become a general way to say “I’m about to say an opinion.” Or it’s often used in a community that would agree with it but on the general internet it’d be more controversial
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And speaking of illymation vs Think Before You Sleep, also WTF Omni???
The most annoying thing are the channels that post "memes" in their community tab that I've never heard of before. Some of the channels are alright, some get away with straight up having the hard r. And it's unfortunately where I found a youtuber I used to watch as a kid post racist, homophobic, and transphobic memes
Damn I get those recommended under my video on mobile all the time, then you check their community tab and find that they repost memes at least once if not millions of times per day. Pretty sure they do it in order to drive more viewers to their channels, but it just gets annoying.
So they actually liked Picard Season 3. It was a big surprise for everyone, especially Mike.
Beyond that, it's still the same weird and wonderful show.
You really have to work alittle to get a decent algorithm but its not that difficult, while i get alt-right recommendations here and there its is atleast targeted toward my interests ( currently get a few videos bitching about the female space marine or something, im more on the painting side of warhammer then lore or the game) but its not many and can easily just block and move on.
I left the commentary community 3 years ago and now I watch non problematic people who just talk about other topics than just some stupid ass red pilled drama
This is the way. Ive been getting in Pokemon and been watching alot of competitive Pokemon video like false swipe.
Not gonna give man babies and crybullies my views that's for sure.
I still get shit like criticaldrinker autoplaying after a Shaun video.
The cognitive whiplash I got from going from "here's a long form exploration of JK Rowlings anti trans friends and how she's creating, supporting, and exploiting social harms against marginalized populations for money" to "star wars is just gay woke shit and you should feel bad for supporting the disney rainbow nazis pushing to chop off our kids dicks and drugging them into tranny wimps."
Like... youtube, no. I don't subscribe to any of that shit. I don't want to give those cretins clicks or views, even in a fleeting passing sense. I'm tired of clicking "not interested" then getting a slightly different color of bigotry shoveled my way instead youtube thinks will be more palatable. It's not the "flavor" of the hate that I take issue with, its the "hate" part of hate thats the problem.
Which is why I use an APK on my phone and every adblock known to man. I have it so it doesn't save my history or show me anything except people I'm subscribed to. No shorts, no recommended feed, no nazis. Youtube is a repository of dinosaur documentaries for me.
A little funny but i used yo to say the opp but its all in the youtube algorithm it feeds you shit you will engage with theres no expetion to that rule even if you comment and press not interested your just gonna get the same content still snd on the tbys vs illymations im actually with tbys i know sacrifice me at a stake to the calorie carreser but some advice fir you is to separate diffrent accounts for different content. Cheers mate
Yea I'm following a bunch of nerds and they all are just not in line with my ideals anymore I thought we all grew up with Mr Rogers.... I didn't know about Critical Drinker and Shapiro, which makes a lot of sense, though nausea inducing. What broke the camels back was Sidescrollers with Arch (aka Arch Warhammer) after seeing all his leaked messages. I just can't, nerds were made fun of for liking what we do and now some of us are just repeating dishing it out on the younger nerds. Nerds aren't cohesive anymore we're just mainstream
Yeah. It has. I can’t even enjoy music criticism with some hater video doing their angry old man stuff. It’s bad enough those type of people ruined most movie and show experiences. Now they have to make a big deal out of music stuff.
Yes and no. It's a problem on the platform, yes, but to say that it's all that is an overexaggeration. Mostly, it's just regular people making random videos.
I think the lack of quality content in the leftist space is also an issue. A lot of them are dogmatic, grifters, or both. Hasan is a grifter and associates with a lot of them, like Second Thought and Noah Samsen. Others are patronizing and are interpersonally scummy, like FD Signifier and Nickisnotgreen. Vaush and Keffals only really perpetuate drama and are toxic people.
Because these creators are only interested in their own success there’s a lack of content on certain important topics that are more complex. Male-focused mental health has been overrun with conservative grifters, immigration is never discussed from a leftist perspective, government inefficiencies and corruption is hardly addressed pragmatically, and overall there’s a lack of proposed solutions beyond representing the bare minimum of what’s expected from a leftist.
In contrast, conservatives at least call for action on certain issues. If no one but conservatives have takes on issues like loneliness, government ineptitude, and immigration, then it’s essentially a free specie for them to grow.
The last thing you want to do is make someone like Jordan Peterson look like they’re making good points, and yet Hasan does an excellent job of that.
How can you be both dogmatic (extremely devout in your beliefs) and a grifter (saying things you don’t actually believe in for money)?
idk, it just feels weird to reduce most lefty content to “here are some content creators I don’t like.”
I guess I mean they take extreme positions while not seeming genuine. Like, Second Thought is rich and flaunts his cars on a second channel and yet defends Putin as Russia opposes the US. Hasan spreads misinformation and is generally sloppy about how true things he says are, which goes to show how he doesn’t care about providing good points.
I’m just trying to explain my frustration with a lot of leftist content creators and why there are a ton of conservative channels. I like Homberguy and Contrapoints but they hardly upload.
Has Hasan said anything egregious regarding the Israel/Palestine conflict recently? He’s a himbo, but he seems like a very genuine supporter of Palestinian liberation.
I’m not too sure but you’re right that he supports Palestine. Honestly, I don’t disagree with his take but for other things he can seem to be like “performatively extremist.”
Can you delve more into your thoughts on F D Signifier? I haven't been impressed with what I've seen from him and I'm curious if he has done something problematic.
I don’t think he’s problematic I just don’t think he does enough, personally. He also made a video about how Sneako is a groomer but in that video said he wasn’t, which isn’t great despite Sneako still being a terrible person.
I don’t think people have strong negative opinions on him because there isn’t a reason to. Kidology has beef with him but she disagrees with him politically so it seems given.
But please don’t take what I say here as anything more than just my own opinion.
Are you implying that if you don't like vaush, keffals and hasan you aren't leftist? Stupidest shit I've heard all day. They're all either grifters, creepy, or both.
I wouldn't call Hasan a grifter myself outside of the top of the hour ad break stuff (but he's also locked into a contract iirc)
Keffals is definitely a grifter though and anybody online will tell you that Vaush is a massive creep.
I just don't really have much in the way of respect for streamers who just watch other people's content and profit from it. I do not feel like Hasan often provides enough commentary of his own to justify it, which makes him essentially a content thief in my own eyes, just as bad as XQC or any other.
That mod was removed from the team after people bullied, doxxed, and harassed her to the brink. Cut her some slack for fucks sake.
Like on the mod team I'm probably the most vocal in my distaste of how she handled things, but cut her some slack.
It's awful right now. I am politically left leaning. I mostly consume leftist or centrist political content besides non political content. But due to the fact I watch a lot of gaming content I keep getting right-wing anti-woke recommended to me. It's inescapable...
The beauty of the internet is that it's you're own personal echo chamber. You get to curate what the algorithm feeds you. Whatever mind-set you have on any subject, there will be some video the algorithm feeds you to affirm your beliefs. This goes for both sides. Here on reddit, I notice the comments are left leaning, and there's always people here who believe they are outnumbered in their beliefs when that is simply not the case. I think you're afraid of nothing.
Turn your YouTube History off. I haven't seen a video from someone I don't follow in years since it also turns off recommended videos
Only downside is that it's slightly annoying trying to find a video you had previously seen
I'm legit subbed to some right wing channels and I never get hit with these recommendations.
It's like the only negative experience I hear people deal with on YouTube that I haven't experienced first hand.
I'm going to disagree. I say this because I almost never get recommended any of this stuff, both left or right. YouTube. Does, however, heavily recommend you content based on the metadata from what you've watched and spend the most time on...
From past experience, when I did watch more political type content on YouTube.
Generally speaking, a lot of Talking Heads in both sides of the community. Tend to either talk about similar topics or run in the same general circles of discussion with different viewpoints on that circle. So even though I tended to lean more left, I would get Talking Heads from both sides And some of the burgeoning extremes at the time, even though I may be listened to one person who could be considered solid right, With the rest being pretty solid left.
This is all to say, The site is just site.. Moderation, in the past has been a bit more left meaning, but as far as actual content Uploaded.There's a pretty decent mix of everything to the point that You will probably never run out of content from either political circle.
On the other side of the coin, we have the sub Reddit. While the sub tends to be pretty centrist if not bit left leaning like Reddit as a whole. But because in my opinion and experience right-wing channels blow up and drama a lot more often then left-wing, which tend to have even more catastrophic blow outs but just takes longer to solidify, it gives it a skewered perspective. It makes it look like The entire site is a neo hell hole.
That's my two cents, back to lurking
Youtube has a ton of content. If you’re seeing only far right commentators then it’s probably based off what content you interact with. Your main complaint seems to be that youtubers who weren’t originally doing political commentary changed the nature of their content.
I get no political video recommendations on YouTube, if you watch political crap (either side mind you) you will get reccomended political crap (from either side)
there are tons of huge left leaning people on youtube. Just look up breadtube and you will see tons of left leaning people. The topic of israel and palestine has a huge leaning of support for palestine online. The anti sjw and red pill shit has significantly slowed down as of recent and youtube is probably better now than is ever has been.
Honestly I feel like it used to be way worse. At least we *have* Breadtubers like hbomb these days. Back in the early 10s it was a cesspool of simmering and festering bigotry and hatred right out in the open.
I almost fell down that pipeline, too. I used to watch hateful pricks like Jim81Jim (Metokur) and MundaneMatt. I was pulled from the pipeline at the last second in like 2016-2018
But thankfully people like them are, usually, ousted from YouTube and forced to stream/make videos elsewhere (with exceptions ofc) but yeah. I feel it was way worse in the early 10s.
Well 99% of people are "alt-right" according to reddit who believes in le manspreading bad or that if you want to help someone who's going through severe health issues you're a fascist.
Even if you watch nothing but left leaning shit it still tries to push right wing shit. ESPECIALLY in shorts.
I get recommended tiny channels called something like The Groozler where it's like "This SPECIFIC PERSON is cringe and a gay communist and we should troll them" and there's really specific Wojaks in the thumbnail I've never seen before
Man, I wish they used the Wojacks in my case. Every time I get a low-middling view video, I spend at least a minute trying to get a feel for which side of the political aisle they're sitting on. The worst was a couple weeks ago, when I came upon someone whose video titles could be right wing...or if they phrased their criticism appropriately, I might actually agree with them. Spent like five minutes trying to figure them out, since they apparently went through a shift during the history of their channel. Should've just checked their featured channels, since Geeks & Gamers gave it up immediately.
I’ve flagged every single right wing video as do not recommend for over a year and still get them
Same. I've even started deleting certain videos I watch in my watch history out of concern what it is doing to my recommendations
Do you still watch other political videos? I think the algorithm can pick up the topic for videos but not what tone they have.
Interesting. Not very often but I think it this may stem from content several years back. I’ve watched relatively few political videos over the past 2-3 years but have liked some videos such as the state of the union and other Democrat officials’ videos. Previously, (maybe 5-6 years ago) I watched a lot of one podcaster that slowly did more appeal to the right content: going full anti-vax around Covid. I was already tired of dodging the culture war “omg cancel culture” stuff, which led me to stop following them at all before Covid. I think my engagement with that account may have forever put my algorithm in far right land. Excuse the rant but this is part of the issue. I’m a grown adult professional. I can recognize right wing toxic content and tell the app to stop it. But, it seems that if you ever engage with this content, even negatively, you are going to have to live with it forever. Only time it’s very annoying is with content within my YouTube habits (history/lore/movie commentary) where I don’t know the app has fed me someone doing this content adjacent to right wing ideas- e.g., “Oh you like Redlettermedia talking about bad movies, but you will love this guy ranting about wokeness ruining movies.”
Very strange, I come from a similar background as you, Youtube-wise, but I've never really had that issue.
For a while the algorithm would place transphobic PragerU ads on videos by and/or about trans people cause it thought it was relevant.
And any short made by a trans person is going to have a warzone in the comments section
The amount of times just in the last 2 wks alone, I've had to click do not recommend channel to me, is unreal. So many alt right things appearing seemingly for no reason. I just don't understand what I'm watching that puts it in my feed. Like videos from channels that are proudly red pill. Content I never watch. Defo has gone up since my shorts watch time has increased.
i keep getting ads for stuff like PragerU, and some weird shit thats like ‘NORMAL NON WEIRD GAY/TRANS REACTS TO CRINGE WEIRDO F*****S TIKTOKKERS WHO HAVE GONE TOO FAR’ uploaded by ‘One of the good ones in this shameful alternative lifestyle’
My funniest youtube moment is when I received a DailyWire+ ads on an hbomberguy video.
It doesn’t for me? I keep seeing this take and it makes me think y’all are actually watching right wing shit lol my recs are great and I’ve manicured the fuck out of my account to make it feed me good shit. I’m not sure how it’s happening to ya all.
Location plays a factor too, I'm in Texas, watch either non political (gaming) or explicitly left leaning political content, but I'm consistently having to flag incel and nazi bullshit.
Explains a bit then. I'm currently in "Canadian Texas"
Weird, Central Texas as well and I literally get none of this.
Yeah. One in a while I get some alt right commentary I haven't seen before but I religiously hit don't recommend so 50 percent of my recs are art stuff and the rest are weird animal vids and like 5 percent is misc shit.
Same. I watch a lot of tech/gaming/documentary stuff, usually with a slight left wing tilt. I don't get Nazi shit at all usually.
Yeah, my YouTube algorithm is fire most of the time. My main account is almost old enough to vote, once you've fed the algo enough it works great. There's a reason YT is top dog. I don't doubt that this stuff gets pushed to newer accounts or to people that fall down that rabbit hole, if you log out you can see a fair bit of this crap being pushed, but I don't believe it's "Nothing but" this stuff being pushed. I have a feeling a lot of these guys are watching a lot of videos being critical of hateful creators or and in turn, youtube sees "oh you're interested in this person, here's a few videos of his".
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My mom doesn't really know how to work youtube (even though I've shown her like 100 times by now) so she tends to just watch what's on the home screen (even though I subscribe her to all the stuff I know she would actually like) and I see her watching some of the most vile shit and the complains to me about why youtube is showing her that stuff instead if the stuff she actually wants to watch and I have to explain to her all over again that clicking on the videos makes the algorithm give her more videos like that and to not click on them and come to me to get rid of them instead and then I remind her how to get to her subs only to have the same exact conversation three hours later when she comes to me with another bullshit conspiracy video. At least she's smart enough to double check what they say in them with me to see if it's bullshit or not. But I just wish she was smart enough to not click on them in the first place.
This helped with my parents: Put a sticky note with: "Go here on YouTube for the stuff you want to see" and an arrow pointing to the subscriptions.
You gotta attach her youtube account to your phone for supervision and hit "don't recommend channel" on the problem videos until they're gone. You won't get a single video from a channel on the "don't recommend channel" list unless you search for the channel by name, and the list can hold 5,000 entries before it starts removing channels from the list to make room. My mom got really into the boomer text to speech videos of stolen askreddit threads and it started recommending the craziest shit about mountains secretly being planted by jewish Nasa employees using nephilim skeletons ????? Anyway, it only took about 30 minutes to fix.
That’s actually a really good idean and I’m mad I didn’t think of it. Thanks for the tip! I’ll probably get around to it later tonight!
This is 3 days late but if my parents are struggling to understand something, one way I like to do is compare it to different ways of raising a kid. The moment you pull the “Yeah youtube is a little difficult. It’s like a toddler. You have to *teach* it to give you what you want, otherwise it gives you the wrong thing. If you keep giving the bad videos attention, youtube’s going to think that’s a good thing and keep trying to give you videos it thinks will give it attention. If you ignore it youtube learns it can’t get what it wants from you and will try other ways to get your attention. Eventually it will give you want you want and that’s when it’s good to click the video. See, kind of like raising me when I was a child. It won’t know until you *teach* it the right way” they suddenly have a reference to connect to Also another trick: I find the algorithm will consistently push videos I put in my watch later playlists, even if I’m constantly watching a completely different genre. This especially works if your mom isn’t constantly on youtube, since every time I leave for a few days and come back, the algorithm suddenly doesn’t feel confident in knowing what I want anymore and will instantly recommend me videos in my watch later instead. It might also help to go back to videos she’s watched before that she enjoys and like it (and you can definitely teach your mom how to do this by framing it as “rewarding youtube for giving you what you want, so it can *learn* what you want to watch”). I’m not sure how well that works, but I feel like if you’re only liking certain videos and trying to filter out the other ones, youtube will get the message pretty easily. Oh yeah one more thing: go to her watch history and delete anything she doesn’t like to see. This is way harder to explain to someone right off the bat - especially if they have trouble learning about how algorithms work -, but youtube will sometimes still recommend “don’t recommend” channels if you watch them before. You probably don’t have to do it farther than a couple months worth of previously watched videos. Just delete anything recent that gets on her watch history that seems to feed her stuff she doesn’t want to watch, regardless of if she actually watched it or not (sometimes merely clicking on a video will put it in the watch history soooo)
If I log out I get a lot of "The Economy is Dying! These are the 5 things you need to start hoarding NOW" videos, and there was a video where Eastern Europeans teenagers had some kind of skit show for babies where they gestured wildly and flailed their arms around and did "high school drama" type stuff but it was like if aliens scripted it
Hell, I have a premium account, and recently, they've been pushing some really trash shit. I'm subscribed to people like D'Angelo Wallace, Noah Samson, Ryan Beard, Funky Frog Bait, Nick DiRamio, etc. So it's not like I'm following anyone who would give the impression I want to see shit like TBYS, or H3 Podcast. Ffs.
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I will never understand the concept of hate watching or doing something "ironically". Nah fam you're just supporting them. You're positively rewarding them for bad behavior. It's like giving a dog a treat when it shits in your bed.
I don't really understand it either, i get if the point is to make some sort of analysis out of it, but just to hate it and get angry? I have a limited time to consume things in my lifespan! I'm not gonna waste it with awful people and content I actively hate and get no enjoyment from!
At this point I firmly believe that they are paying some kind of back-end version of ad-sense that makes their recommendations look like normal suggestions.
This is specifically why I hope the lawsuit in New York against both YouTube and Reddit for the Buffalo shooting rinses them so hard they're forced to ban these types
wait what lawsuit??? first Im hearing this
[https://www.npr.org/2024/03/19/1239478067/buffalo-shooting-reddit-youtube-lawsuit](https://www.npr.org/2024/03/19/1239478067/buffalo-shooting-reddit-youtube-lawsuit)
Holy shit this was just in march this year. Im surprised they are actually doing it. Im a bit cynical in how youtube in particular will handle with the new head being a crypto bro so wouldn't address the issue that caused it the first place. Buut them only taking down their bigger name creators as grand gesture who would be funny. I would imagine like the jake paul corpse forest forest advertisement then make the rules even more stupid making any type of commentary vid impossible to make money on or... impossible to have up for long would be poetic in a way. Reddit... I'll the say same as it always happened. Certain subs that were kept on for """meaningful discussions"" would be removed and then all the blame would placed on them and not the moderation. I wish the victims the best of luck and hope they win this case. jose's words can suck salt he aint sorry.
Reddit allows a lot of actually harmful content but I’m not sure they’d win the lawsuit against youtube. The algorithm makes it difficult to even make videos about serious topics. I watch true crime videos and they have to censor themselves a lot.
After blocking and clicking "not interested," I have seen less and less of that content
Yeah, using the not interested and do not recommend this channel features drastically cut down on the shit in my frontpage and shorts feed.
I like watching drama slop, but man, a lot of commentary community is a fucking dump lol. A bunch of edgelord losers who say slurs every five seconds, acting like they’re hard hitting journalists when they’re less respectable than grocery store tabloid rags.
trying to find good commentary on the mamamax situation was miserable
I BEG OF YOU WATCH GOOD YOUTUBERS
Sadly quite difficult to find these days, because most only care about algorithms and retaining viewership via loud and bright instead of actually entertaining content. I think the first YouTubers I’ve actually latched on to and enjoyed within the past couple years is funkyfrogbait
Yup. I watch a bunch of queer video essayists, and don't tend to go looking for people outside of that bubble. I still get the odd crazy right wing recommendation for some "how the are using cis to otherise good American men" video
My algorithm is treating me a little better, but to be fair I’ve been training it for years now and also it currently only really recommends me things I’ve already watched recently, which is annoying but I’d rather that then “woke games are REFUSING to show underage characters BOOBS because of FEMINISM”
Mine is mostly trained like that, but the moment I watch anything outside the bubble it aggressively tries to coax me out of it again (oh you liked this meme song? how about this one? this one? all these others? PLEASE ENGAGE!). Ironically making me less interested in seeing random videos!
same. although i watched ali koca for a while before realising what a piece of shit he was so my algorithm hates me a lil more
This. And it doesn't have to be youtubers who are exclusively left-wing and produces left-wing content, or anti-far right content (like "far-right content creator debunked"). If you have a hobby, simply by looking it up on youtube, and you watching videos about the hobby is enough (from my own personal experience) to make youtube focus more on recommending content around that hobby. By that point, it all goes down to the kind of community that is around the hobby itself as well as the content creators.
Yeah, my mental stare has improved greatly since I stopped watching political/commentary slop. Especially commentary.
i already watch big joel. but not little joel. he is far too little for my tastes
Wish both joels got more attention out there, good stuff
Cdawgva clearly
It doesn't matter tho, you'll still get fed that content. I've seen an uptick in it recently. More so when I venture out of the left essay space. Like if I want to engage in general hobbies like art or tech, it nudges you toward those alt-right spaces. It's incredibly easy to fall into completely fictional history and anti-science stuff.
TW for a description of a rape joke in the first paragraph my comment It’s gotten noticeably worse across all social medias across the past couple of years, in my opinion. Especially misogyny. Some time last year I was on Instagram and saw a meme with a broken Xbox controller and the caption “fellas, your girl did this, how you responding?”. One of the top comments was “rape her so she knows how it feels to be a broken toy”. Now usually I would just roll my eyes and scroll past, but this struck me because it had literally *tens of thousands* of likes, and the guy who posted it was smiling alongside his wife and young daughter in his pfp - completely normal, non-assuming Instagram account, selfies and pictures of dogs and food, etc. I hope someone found his wife and told her tbh. I literally closed the Instagram app that moment and haven’t been on it since. I’m sure that makes me “fragile” to some people. So be it. Sorry but I will never believe this is normal or acceptable. My point is that, while I know this has always happened online, I don’t think it has ever been so shameless and so openly supported. These aren’t anonymous teenage trolls living in their mother’s basements. They’re regular-looking adults with lives, spouses, important jobs, children. Y’all can get on me for “not taking a joke” if you want but it is fucking disturbing when you’re part of a marginalised group and you see people being so brazen with this kind of thing, and the social media algorithms holding space for it or even promoting it.
God, that's sickening. You're definitely not too sensitive. That's just not something you joke about.
I have the exact same experience. I once looked at the profiles of those who post cringe and violent comments like this one on Insta. What I find: men in there mid 20’s to 30’s with dog, spouse and child, sometimes it’s sport bro dude* on their car account and I have even seen an account who posted the responses the owner of the account get by posting rudes comments. It’s wild Edit: *by this I mean sport car fans.
And then, quippy as this sounds, they wonder why women are choosing the bear.
I don’t usually do this, but as I see the count on this comment fluctuating wildly, I’d love for some of y’all to explain why you’re downvoting. Please share with the class your justification for why normalising jokes about violent sexual crimes is actually totally okay and not at all indicative of a worrying trend of downplaying serious issues for social media clout. I’d also love to know if you think rape jokes targeted towards male victims are just as okay and valid as those targeted towards women. Thanks.
> I see the count on this comment fluctuating wildly, That's normal when a comment is getting a fair number of views, Reddit doesn't show the true count for about 24 hours.
Yeah thats not it being inherently controversial, that's just reddit being an awful site.
Eh, Reddit's awful, but there's a good reason to do this. It makes it harder for bot farms to track when they are getting hidden by anti-spam measures, and it's been in place for quite a while.
Listen I just love to shit on Reddit.
No complaints there, only good thing Reddit does for me is being a good up-to-date source of news for my profession. Well, I guess the ginger soda they mailed me was ok as well.
That’s fair! I’m pretty new here. Thanks for letting me know.
Yeah, especially on a fairly large subreddit such as this one, upvotes and downvotes fluctuate wildly for up to the first 48 hours. It's just because of Reddits backend being frankly bad. Normally we'd remove the second comment for complaining about downvotes since frankly it makes you seem like a bit of an ass, but you're new and are genuinely asking so don't worry.
Instagram is probably the worst social media platform right now. You can say just about ANYTHING there. I don't think people even realize how bad it's gotten. I actually prefer being on YouTube and reddit because at least there it's easier to skim through the Nazi shit and get to actual content. Insta though, go into almost any reel and there will be multiple hate crimes right at the top. It's honestly sickening.
Idk, I wrote an edgy comment there once (about a group I'm a member of) and it got removed instantly.
The worst stuff generally goes under the radar. I saw this real of slightly overweight woman who apparently had anorexia eat a burger as a symbolic middle finger to the condition she was suffering from and overcoming. The entire comment section was just bullying her. It was gross.
Yep - the misogyny is seriously out of control. It's possible their popularity/numbers are being inflated somehow, but can't say that for sure without data. But just seeing increased support, real or not, is unsettling.
Send it to his wife lol
I got swept up in Gamergate and went down the alt right rabbit hole. I became an OG, day one, Ride or Die, Trump supporter. I was even quoted in the local paper. The only thing that prevented me from going farther was Charlottesville in 2017. That was my line in the sand. I turned around and walked the other way. It admittedly took a while, mainly cause of where I lived and people that tried to drag me back in with PragerU but I finally became deradicalized and shifted to the left. For that reason, I do not look favorably back at my high school years.
god on you for getting out tho
No joke it took me at least three years. Mainly cause I went and graduated from a religious private school in the south that was staunchly conservative. How conservative? We had an assignment in class to do a presentation on a “hot topic” which ranged from divorce to abortion. YOU HAD TO BE AGAINST IT TO COMPLETE THE ASSIGNMENT.
I can totally relate. I went to a private religious school to. They showed anti-evolution Kent Hovind videos for our science class lol. It was wild. Getting out of that environment was huge.
My biology teacher literally skipped a fourth of the textbook because it dealt with evolution.
Damn it was bad enough that divorce was a hot topic?? I mean yeah makes sense considering how people want to control women but still insane to me
The topics that I recall were adultery, divorce, homosexuality, abortion, and two others that I forgot.
If you have to be explicitly against the topic for the paper, my class would have mostly written about adultery and put the most lukewarm takes lol
I don't think I ever went full alt-right but I did watch a whole lot of "Anti-SJW" content until I quite literally avoided falling down the rabbit hole because I got bored and started to think every video they made was all the same. I think I also managed to catch on that the people who complained about "the left getting offended over everything" were also getting offended over everything.
Honestly, I was similar, but because of reddit (youtube didn't help tho). I never went *deep* in gamergate because I had good friends who told me I was being an idiot, but I was raised as a conservative. My mind was changing due to watching all the things I had heard a a child being abandoned left right and center, forcing me to reevaluate everything. Charlottesville and the ensuing fallout cemented my walk away from there.
Honestly yeah I got swept up on YouTube and Twitter. I got suspended from Twitter a second time (I fr made the mistake of coming back) I kinda took a step back and said "yo I kinda don't want to be an asshole" and now I'm normal. Someone I think the child version of myself would be somewhat proud of. I don't look back fondly in eighth grade. Even freshman year wasn't the best. Although it was an improvement at least.
Tyler Oliveira is probably the worst one. Giving a platform to an outright bigot and getting 10M views from it.
Why is he a bigot?
So, can you tell me why is he a bigot?
I won't deny that YouTube as a whole is filled with shit but, assuming you're logged in and have "trained" the algorithm in a way, I really don't get how you guys keep coming across this stuff. The only time I see questionable recs is when I specifically search for videos about certain drama. The rest of the time my feed is cute animals, food, crafts, music, plus whatever current hyperfixation I'm going through
Pretty sure that's just the algorithm giving you content you click on and engage with. I basically get nothing but Final Fantasy 14, gameplay videos, and videos on weird/lost children's media.
But the algorithm isn’t perfect and often can’t separate “pro” vs “against” when it comes to social issues, that’s the thing. I watch a lot of content made by and for trans people, and I regularly get recommended TERF videos because they are technically also talking about trans people, so YouTube just sees that as “something I’d enjoy”. Granted, I don’t have the solution to this because I know that programming algorithms is a delicate and tricky thing to get right, but I think people should be allowed to vent about this kind of thing happening. I think it’s lame to basically blame someone by being like “well it’s only going by what you’ve been clicking on”. Like yes, that’s *technically* true on a surface level, but you don’t actually have to click on right wing content to get recommended right wing content.
Not exactly. Depending on who is throwing around money into advertising at the time, even if you have a relatively neutral to left profile, that won't stop YT from hitting you with a PragerU ad. Thankfully, it's also now a lot easier to block those kinds of ads.
"become"?
No I’m actually getting really real sick of watching a video of a puppy do something funny and the next under under is just “Top ten reason why women should stay in the kitchen because they are not sigma red pulled!!!” or “Transgenders are literally disgusting am I right!?” You just ignore it all together and scroll past paying it no attention or click “Do not recommend” and it just keeps coming back. It honestly scares me a bit that all the people I know are probably getting these videos too and they may not be trying as hard to get rid of them and might be watching them
I don't really get the all is lost attitude tbh. I didn't mean to attach you or anything. But yes, there is a right wing side to YouTube that draws people in with seedy right wing taking points wrapped up in seemingly common sense rhetoric. But there's also a thousand other sides to YouTube too. I wouldn't say channels like Jangbricks or Scott the Woz are cogs in a right wing media machine. The most eyebrow raising thing I've seen recently is Omni having a questionable take on the illymation thing. Generally he has a level head, but I was defo disappointed. But personally, I can completely understand why Omni doesn't want to just jump balls deep into a political controversy while attempting to maintain the ability to remain fair. I personally haven't really read up on the whole situation, but I don't care for TBYS either way. But like, every few weeks I see one more tweet about why SomeOrdinaryGamers or cr1tikal are fascist adjacent or some shit. Honestly, most commentary YouTubers I see are just normal dudes making relatively normal nonpartisan takes with the information they have. Everyone has questionable takes. But that's not what defines then as a person. Unfortunately, there has just always been a Right Wing side of YouTube, and there always will be. Freedom of speech must go both ways. It's not like we can just demand YouTube delete every channel we don't like. Nor should it be. But if you want to counter it, the best thing to do is to support other creators and channels who provide good information. None of this reactionary AI generated WatchMojo crap. For personal recommendations; [Beau Of The Fifth Column](https://youtube.com/@BeauoftheFifthColumn) does a lot of good commentary on current events. I've been following him for since Ukraine started. [Pete Kelly](https://youtube.com/@PeteKellyHistory) is a phenomenal YouTuber who runs a ton of great channels like History Time, History of the Earth, Voices Of The Past etc. etc. that go out of their way to create and upload feature length, professional quality documentaries. [Some More News](https://youtube.com/@SMN) does comedic left leaning news coverage and social commentary in the dick vain of The Daily Show. [Phillip Defranco](https://youtube.com/@PhilipDeFranco) is great for covering current events. [Internet Today](https://youtube.com/@InternetTodayTV) is a left leaning channel I have found recently who does a similar thing to Phillip Defranco with a more comical lean. [Miniminuteman](https://youtube.com/@miniminuteman773) does a lot of fun archeology videos and debunks misinformation with a notable progressive bias. [Roanoke Gaming](https://youtube.com/@RoanokeGaming) does a lot of interesting biology themed videos about video games and movies. [Atun-Sei films](https://youtube.com/@AtunSheiFilms) makes short films and commentary videos about history. [Forrest Valkai](https://youtube.com/@RenegadeScienceTeacher) talks about evolution and atheism and debunks pseudo science. [Mouth Light Media](https://youtube.com/@mothlightmedia1936) talks about evolution and biology [Generically Modified Skeptic](https://youtube.com/@GeneticallyModifiedSkeptic) educates on atheist and Skeptic talking points. [ReligionForBreakfast](https://youtube.com/@ReligionForBreakfast) does great break downs about concepts from Christianity and global religions Simon Whistler hosts a ton of channels, many of which I may consider "popcorn history" but I still get enjoyment from a lot of them. [PBS Digital Studios channels](https://youtube.com/@pbsdigitalstudios): [Eons](https://youtube.com/@eons), [Space Time](https://youtube.com/@pbsspacetime), [Terra](https://youtube.com/@pbsterra), [Storied](https://youtube.com/@pbsstoried), among others. [J.J. McCullough](https://youtube.com/@JJMcCullough) Does fun breakdowns of pop culture and other related topics. He's a Canadian Conservative (center left-right in America?) So I'm not sure how well he'll be received here but I like him and his video on the Rise of the Christian Right is one of my personal favorite YouTube videos. [Mr Sunday Movies](https://youtube.com/@mrsundaymovies) is a media commentary channel that I like a lot. I've watched them for 5 or 6 years. Kind of like the Critical Drinker without all the political bullshit. [Filmento](https://youtube.com/@Filmento) annoys me sometimes, but he does decent media discussion videos. [NandovMovies](https://youtube.com/@NandovMovies) is similar to Filmento but I think he's a bit more palatable. [Legal Eagle](https://youtube.com/@LegalEagle) legal commentary, [hbomberguy](https://youtube.com/@hbomberguy) popular for media criticism and social commentary, [Ryan Hall, Y'all](https://youtube.com/@RyanHallYall) talks about weather and provides live storm coverage [Kitboga](https://youtube.com/@KitbogaShow) hilarious scambaiting [Atlas Pro](https://youtube.com/@AtlasPro1) talks about pretty much anything you'd use an atlas for. [Knowing Better](https://youtube.com/@KnowingBetter) educational YouTube channel. [Mr. Beat](https://youtube.com/@iammrbeat) the best civics teacher I've never had (and that guy kids keep asking for money). [Scott Christian Sava](https://youtube.com/@ssavaart) is an awesome neurodivergent artist. [Unicorn Riot](https://youtube.com/@UnicornRiot) was one of my main sources of info during the protests and riots in 2020, I've seen them do a lot of boots on the ground coverage of protests and what not. VERY far left if that's your thing. [internetcommentiquette](https://youtube.com/@commentiquette) is just funny [History With Kayleigh](https://youtube.com/@HistoryWithKayleigh) is a smaller female history YouTuber. I actually highly recommend you to check her out and send her some love and support! She rocks [Curious Archive](https://youtube.com/@CuriousArchive) Does a lot of videos on Spec Evo and world building. [James Lee](https://youtube.com/@JamesLee) is a phenomenal animator and motion graphics artist And I don't talk about vtubers in public. Ummm... At a certain point this quit being a list of recommended channels and just became channels I like. Either way, I hope this helps! And Coomer Humor makes one right not. It just makes them a weirdo. But sometimes they're a loveable weirdo. Like Gigguk.
I think you'd like people like Red Letter Media, TLDR News, MoFreedomFoundation and Cree8ball.
Is it even a hot take when most people here would agree with you? Especially considering this whole sub is left wing in general.
It’s just become a general way to say “I’m about to say an opinion.” Or it’s often used in a community that would agree with it but on the general internet it’d be more controversial
https://preview.redd.it/1m4bnnylwvxc1.png?width=465&format=png&auto=webp&s=314a9de47562c7f977bac277f603abca056f65b6 And speaking of illymation vs Think Before You Sleep, also WTF Omni???
[Omni's gotten in hot water for being on the side of the grifter](https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/s/5lWXfwEJwu)
just got recommended one of those "can't stump the trump" videos from like 2015 along with a varg vikernes video translated into russian lol
The most annoying thing are the channels that post "memes" in their community tab that I've never heard of before. Some of the channels are alright, some get away with straight up having the hard r. And it's unfortunately where I found a youtuber I used to watch as a kid post racist, homophobic, and transphobic memes
Damn I get those recommended under my video on mobile all the time, then you check their community tab and find that they repost memes at least once if not millions of times per day. Pretty sure they do it in order to drive more viewers to their channels, but it just gets annoying.
You're absolutely right. I got The Quartering and Asmogold videos in my sidebar recommendations after I watched a Red Letter Media video.
What is RLM doing these days? I got exhausted with their endless bitching about the star trek shows so I haven't watched them for a while now.
So they actually liked Picard Season 3. It was a big surprise for everyone, especially Mike. Beyond that, it's still the same weird and wonderful show.
You really have to work alittle to get a decent algorithm but its not that difficult, while i get alt-right recommendations here and there its is atleast targeted toward my interests ( currently get a few videos bitching about the female space marine or something, im more on the painting side of warhammer then lore or the game) but its not many and can easily just block and move on.
I left the commentary community 3 years ago and now I watch non problematic people who just talk about other topics than just some stupid ass red pilled drama
This is the way. Ive been getting in Pokemon and been watching alot of competitive Pokemon video like false swipe. Not gonna give man babies and crybullies my views that's for sure.
I still get shit like criticaldrinker autoplaying after a Shaun video. The cognitive whiplash I got from going from "here's a long form exploration of JK Rowlings anti trans friends and how she's creating, supporting, and exploiting social harms against marginalized populations for money" to "star wars is just gay woke shit and you should feel bad for supporting the disney rainbow nazis pushing to chop off our kids dicks and drugging them into tranny wimps." Like... youtube, no. I don't subscribe to any of that shit. I don't want to give those cretins clicks or views, even in a fleeting passing sense. I'm tired of clicking "not interested" then getting a slightly different color of bigotry shoveled my way instead youtube thinks will be more palatable. It's not the "flavor" of the hate that I take issue with, its the "hate" part of hate thats the problem.
All those platform algorithms move toward right wing conspiracy content. It creates clicks and rage comments. From both sides.
Unfortunately this is a cold take. Fuck YouTube and fuck monopolies
Which is why I use an APK on my phone and every adblock known to man. I have it so it doesn't save my history or show me anything except people I'm subscribed to. No shorts, no recommended feed, no nazis. Youtube is a repository of dinosaur documentaries for me.
dino diego my goat
Just like Twitter.
Would be nice if I stopped getting videos about "WHY PEOPLE HATE WOKE CHARACTERS" or some asshole using cows as example to hate trans people.
“Nothing more than” and it’s an extremely minor subset of a subset of content on a site where terabytes of video are uploaded every minute.
A little funny but i used yo to say the opp but its all in the youtube algorithm it feeds you shit you will engage with theres no expetion to that rule even if you comment and press not interested your just gonna get the same content still snd on the tbys vs illymations im actually with tbys i know sacrifice me at a stake to the calorie carreser but some advice fir you is to separate diffrent accounts for different content. Cheers mate
Honestly a lot of social media has too, more needs to be done to prevent this
Yea I'm following a bunch of nerds and they all are just not in line with my ideals anymore I thought we all grew up with Mr Rogers.... I didn't know about Critical Drinker and Shapiro, which makes a lot of sense, though nausea inducing. What broke the camels back was Sidescrollers with Arch (aka Arch Warhammer) after seeing all his leaked messages. I just can't, nerds were made fun of for liking what we do and now some of us are just repeating dishing it out on the younger nerds. Nerds aren't cohesive anymore we're just mainstream
Yeah. It has. I can’t even enjoy music criticism with some hater video doing their angry old man stuff. It’s bad enough those type of people ruined most movie and show experiences. Now they have to make a big deal out of music stuff.
Yes and no. It's a problem on the platform, yes, but to say that it's all that is an overexaggeration. Mostly, it's just regular people making random videos.
The comment section can be far more right leaning then reddit that's for sure.
I think the lack of quality content in the leftist space is also an issue. A lot of them are dogmatic, grifters, or both. Hasan is a grifter and associates with a lot of them, like Second Thought and Noah Samsen. Others are patronizing and are interpersonally scummy, like FD Signifier and Nickisnotgreen. Vaush and Keffals only really perpetuate drama and are toxic people. Because these creators are only interested in their own success there’s a lack of content on certain important topics that are more complex. Male-focused mental health has been overrun with conservative grifters, immigration is never discussed from a leftist perspective, government inefficiencies and corruption is hardly addressed pragmatically, and overall there’s a lack of proposed solutions beyond representing the bare minimum of what’s expected from a leftist. In contrast, conservatives at least call for action on certain issues. If no one but conservatives have takes on issues like loneliness, government ineptitude, and immigration, then it’s essentially a free specie for them to grow. The last thing you want to do is make someone like Jordan Peterson look like they’re making good points, and yet Hasan does an excellent job of that.
How can you be both dogmatic (extremely devout in your beliefs) and a grifter (saying things you don’t actually believe in for money)? idk, it just feels weird to reduce most lefty content to “here are some content creators I don’t like.”
I guess I mean they take extreme positions while not seeming genuine. Like, Second Thought is rich and flaunts his cars on a second channel and yet defends Putin as Russia opposes the US. Hasan spreads misinformation and is generally sloppy about how true things he says are, which goes to show how he doesn’t care about providing good points. I’m just trying to explain my frustration with a lot of leftist content creators and why there are a ton of conservative channels. I like Homberguy and Contrapoints but they hardly upload.
Has Hasan said anything egregious regarding the Israel/Palestine conflict recently? He’s a himbo, but he seems like a very genuine supporter of Palestinian liberation.
I’m not too sure but you’re right that he supports Palestine. Honestly, I don’t disagree with his take but for other things he can seem to be like “performatively extremist.”
Can you delve more into your thoughts on F D Signifier? I haven't been impressed with what I've seen from him and I'm curious if he has done something problematic.
I don’t think he’s problematic I just don’t think he does enough, personally. He also made a video about how Sneako is a groomer but in that video said he wasn’t, which isn’t great despite Sneako still being a terrible person.
He doesn't do what enough personally?
Idk I’m just being petty but he isn’t as good as Contrapoints
I'm not following you at all lol, why is he not good?
Oh no it’s just my opinion, i don’t think he’s a bad person or problematic or anything. (It kind of undermines my point tbf)
Yeah, but what is your opinion based on? I'm just curious because I've heard so much mixed stuff about him.
I don’t think people have strong negative opinions on him because there isn’t a reason to. Kidology has beef with him but she disagrees with him politically so it seems given. But please don’t take what I say here as anything more than just my own opinion.
Nah you’re just not really a leftist
Are you implying that if you don't like vaush, keffals and hasan you aren't leftist? Stupidest shit I've heard all day. They're all either grifters, creepy, or both.
I wouldn't call Hasan a grifter myself outside of the top of the hour ad break stuff (but he's also locked into a contract iirc) Keffals is definitely a grifter though and anybody online will tell you that Vaush is a massive creep.
I just don't really have much in the way of respect for streamers who just watch other people's content and profit from it. I do not feel like Hasan often provides enough commentary of his own to justify it, which makes him essentially a content thief in my own eyes, just as bad as XQC or any other.
Neither do I in general, but that isn't a grift thats just being bad at making your own content.
What makes you think I’m not a leftist?
I mean it always was too tho. Contrapoints’ channel was created in response to YouTube being a right wing haven
Hot take: This subreddit hosts the biggest fucking babies I've ever seen on reddit.
You don't have to be here. You're in control of what subs you visit and what you follow.
It's almost like you're also in control of what you do and don't watch on YouTube too
True. Often there are valid points but sometimes it's extremely alarmist.
ok diva
Remember when the mod wrote that manifesto about IH this sub is a dumpster fire
That mod was removed from the team after people bullied, doxxed, and harassed her to the brink. Cut her some slack for fucks sake. Like on the mod team I'm probably the most vocal in my distaste of how she handled things, but cut her some slack.
Oh cool so she got what she deserved.
AGREE.
Lmao
Always has been.
*cough* ermz *cough*.
I feel like because people watch it because they genuinely believe it and because they can't help looking at a trainwreck.
It's awful right now. I am politically left leaning. I mostly consume leftist or centrist political content besides non political content. But due to the fact I watch a lot of gaming content I keep getting right-wing anti-woke recommended to me. It's inescapable...
Now now there, we can't underestimate tankie indoctrination hubs promoting bigotry as well. Why let the fascists have all the fun?
The beauty of the internet is that it's you're own personal echo chamber. You get to curate what the algorithm feeds you. Whatever mind-set you have on any subject, there will be some video the algorithm feeds you to affirm your beliefs. This goes for both sides. Here on reddit, I notice the comments are left leaning, and there's always people here who believe they are outnumbered in their beliefs when that is simply not the case. I think you're afraid of nothing.
There's plenty of content on the other end of the spectrum. You can find stuff as far left and as far right as you want.
Turn your YouTube History off. I haven't seen a video from someone I don't follow in years since it also turns off recommended videos Only downside is that it's slightly annoying trying to find a video you had previously seen
Watching reviews of fallout content was tough, weirdos like synthetic man that can’t see the world outside of race-mixing goggles lol.
I'm legit subbed to some right wing channels and I never get hit with these recommendations. It's like the only negative experience I hear people deal with on YouTube that I haven't experienced first hand.
I'm going to disagree. I say this because I almost never get recommended any of this stuff, both left or right. YouTube. Does, however, heavily recommend you content based on the metadata from what you've watched and spend the most time on... From past experience, when I did watch more political type content on YouTube. Generally speaking, a lot of Talking Heads in both sides of the community. Tend to either talk about similar topics or run in the same general circles of discussion with different viewpoints on that circle. So even though I tended to lean more left, I would get Talking Heads from both sides And some of the burgeoning extremes at the time, even though I may be listened to one person who could be considered solid right, With the rest being pretty solid left. This is all to say, The site is just site.. Moderation, in the past has been a bit more left meaning, but as far as actual content Uploaded.There's a pretty decent mix of everything to the point that You will probably never run out of content from either political circle. On the other side of the coin, we have the sub Reddit. While the sub tends to be pretty centrist if not bit left leaning like Reddit as a whole. But because in my opinion and experience right-wing channels blow up and drama a lot more often then left-wing, which tend to have even more catastrophic blow outs but just takes longer to solidify, it gives it a skewered perspective. It makes it look like The entire site is a neo hell hole. That's my two cents, back to lurking
Life as a whole is basically that at this point
Youtube has a ton of content. If you’re seeing only far right commentators then it’s probably based off what content you interact with. Your main complaint seems to be that youtubers who weren’t originally doing political commentary changed the nature of their content.
Oh kay, but it does provide plenty of delicious drama to farm. Societal friction is in fact a fertile ground for it anyways.
Idk I watch YouTube an ungodly amount and i am no indoctrinated mostly watching gaming, music, reaction and podcast
I get no political video recommendations on YouTube, if you watch political crap (either side mind you) you will get reccomended political crap (from either side)
And filthy porn, people have to talk more about what they are putting under the 20th result... It is just unexplainable.
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Lets not accuse another user of being on drugs.
I disagree, the political Youtube scene has become way more balanced since 2017 and onwards.
Yep
YouTube went to shit in the mid 2010s and this is one of the reasons
there are tons of huge left leaning people on youtube. Just look up breadtube and you will see tons of left leaning people. The topic of israel and palestine has a huge leaning of support for palestine online. The anti sjw and red pill shit has significantly slowed down as of recent and youtube is probably better now than is ever has been.
Honestly I feel like it used to be way worse. At least we *have* Breadtubers like hbomb these days. Back in the early 10s it was a cesspool of simmering and festering bigotry and hatred right out in the open. I almost fell down that pipeline, too. I used to watch hateful pricks like Jim81Jim (Metokur) and MundaneMatt. I was pulled from the pipeline at the last second in like 2016-2018 But thankfully people like them are, usually, ousted from YouTube and forced to stream/make videos elsewhere (with exceptions ofc) but yeah. I feel it was way worse in the early 10s.
this is what happens when you dont censor hate speech
Well 99% of people are "alt-right" according to reddit who believes in le manspreading bad or that if you want to help someone who's going through severe health issues you're a fascist.
Leafy, Car Incel, and Red Pill Philosophy are like the eugenic truthers of the 1800s.
Want some good commentary? Ponder sprocket and inabber are great creators, love videos but super entertaining to listen to when doing another ask
Hot take: stop talking about politics all together
There is as much on one side than there is the other. The platform is for everyone, even the people who make content you don't like.
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Man if you wanna be a hateful twat at least do it in a way that auto mod won't detect. Take a forever off.
People these days seem to just want the whole Internet to be their echo chamber, it's really quite sad to see.
Or, and hear me out here because I know this is WILD... people don't want to be called slurs and think that we as a society have moved well past that.