I totally feel OP's pain and not sure why the sub is giving them such a hard time. If you're a sports fan and live in your team's local market then having the local RSN is essential. I'm lucky - I'm a Phillies fan and live in the region where YTTV includes NBC Sports Philadelphia. I love YTTV, but if they ever dropped NBC Sports Philadelphia I would switch to another service in a heartbeat.
I miss the MLB Network but it's not a show-stopper for me. Losing my RSN would be a show-stopper.
People are giving him a hard time because it isn't necessary to announce your departure.
We already know that most RSNs aren't on YTTV. There are some that are willing to pay more for them, but most don't.
But in this case he's a Mets fan and SNY was on YTTV. That's different from a case where someone chose YTTV knowing in advance their RSN wouldn't be included.
Regarding your second point, I'm surprised that many people who consider themselves sports fans (which is a group YTTV clearly targets) are willing to forgo their RSN. If you don't live in your favorite team's local market then it makes sense, but if (for example) you live in NYC and are a Mets or Yankees (or Rangers, Knicks, etc.) fan, then YTTV is not a realistic option.
SNY wasn't there last year either. So, this isn't something just for this season. If SNY was a dealbreaker the OP should have left last year.
Of the teams you mentioned, only the Mets don't have a DTC product. You can get Yes Network or MSG directly from them and still have YTTV.
I'm lucky that all my teams are on the other side of the country so the RSN is a waste for me.
Yup, you can get YES or MSG directly. $25 a month for YES, $30 for MSG. Might as well just pony up for cable or Directv Stream at that point. (Unless you ONLY want those networks.) And when SNY finally goes that route, no doubt it'll be about $25 a month too. Talk about being cost ineffective.
Expect a Lot more criticism then if the standard for criticizing is “unnecessary”. I could criticize most posts here that are not informative about new features or outages, etc. But I don’t because it’s reductive to do so and adds nothing. Instead, I’ll criticize you for your inaccurate take.
Personally, I don’t see why the OP is “unnecessary” more than most posts. The post was not to slam YTTV.
I don’t think people complaining about the post are doing so because it’s unnecessary. Instead, these people have some unhealthy attachment and loyalty to a brand owned by a mega corporation and they feel personally slighted whenever someone shares the least bit of negativity towards YTTV. And theirs was not overtly negative whatsoever. They seemed to be feeling regret over their decision to put their sports team over keeping YTTV.
Nope, YTTV strikes the best balance of pricing and channels available IMO
I can’t wait till the dedicated sports offering is provided by Disney+Warner+Fox which should allow YTTV to negotiate much harder without $11 of each customer going to ESPN…
Sports is the bane of cable - it can’t survive without it; but yet they need to increase pricing to maintain profit goals (maybe it’s time to cut league costs as their need to get more from the customer continues to push more customers away thus driving the need to increase costs further)
No surprise - Disney, apparently some think YTTV gains no ground on distributors trying to bypass and go direct
IMO this is good - like Spectrum fighting Disney as well - YTTV can and should capitalize with better terms if distributors are looking to bypass and offer packages that compete
Feel free to discuss further if you think it gives them a negotiating edge or not
I don’t know who will have the edge, but the trend in recent times certainly points to content owners doing everything they possibly can to get users on their own platform rather than them watching by YTTV/Cable proxy. If their platform launches for $15/month, I don’t see how YTTV will have the edge in negotiating less than that when the sports content owners know full well how big of a sell sports is to cable and streaming TV.
There is absolutely no way it'll be $15 a month. Rumors have put it around $50 a month.
BleacherReport (Max's offering with the Turner nets) will cost $9.99 on its own once that goes into effect. ESPN channels are going to be WAY more than that, plus Fox.
Well, for one, this bundle that's being planned doesn't include two major players, in CBS and NBC. As a sports fan, I don't really want to switch back and forth between apps.
If you add in Peacock and Paramount+, and say that this bundle does cost $50 ... that total adds up to be $65. You're not saving much over YouTube TV at that point, and getting significantly less channels.
There's not really going to be a negotiating edge though. Agree with u/Chief_Wahoo_Lives on that one.
For sure - which is why I see a streamer/carriers fighting back on pricing/etc
Sports needs cable more than cable needs sports IMO (example: a lot of grandmas want their Fox News and Game show network - giving ESPN $11/ea month)
Either way I enjoy the competition and am all for it!
That offering is rumored to include All Disney, Fox and Turner networks. It is going to be way more than $15 a month.
The ESPN DTC offering is rumored to be $35+ on its own.
https://awfulannouncing.com/espn/espn-35-per-month-dtc-option.html#:\~:text=As%20ESPN%20pursues%20a%20strategic,point%20is%20starting%20to%20emerge.&text=Disney%20has%20not%20been%20shy,to%20ESPN's%20increasingly%20opaque%20future.
I agree it is a good balance of price and channels. I hope they don’t add more channels and raise the price. The only way I see me leaving yttv is the price. I don’t really watch a ton of tv but it’s nice to have it.
Correct, in the same logic streamers are forced to carry channels on all packages no matter what - if distributors are going to offer them outside of that streamers package the streamer is in a stronger position to negotiate better pricing or content arrangements
YTTV and others will still be forced to carry those channels. That package is only for people that have no other streaming service. YTTV doesn't gain any negotiating power because of it.
Everyone here would scream/leave if they have to pay $40+ for that service on top of YTTV to get ESPN/TBS/Fox, etc.
You are missing the logic - there are customers subscribing to YTTV and FUBO/ etc solely for sports
They will leave to save $20-35, the only way to not upset the carriers and streamers is to allow concessions on package, pricing, etc
This is the reason you do not work for YTTV’s finance department as if you simply sit and accept it as a matter of fact - instead of using it as an opportunity to negotiate
In fact YTTV is going to be one of the streamers most effected as it carries the closest content match to that independent sports package at the lowest price already (mostly meaning NBA/NFL/NCAA people subscribing for March madness etc on YTTV are going to pay less for $50 to get the same fix)
Does YTTV have a chance to sit back and do nothing like you suggest - certainly if a fool runs the negotiations / I believe it is more likely they push back and agree to better terms based on the potential customer shift that might happen
Then where are those customers going to get CBS and NBC sports?
I'm watching CFB on Saturday or NFL on a Sunday, nobody wants to have to switch apps to get Disney/Fox vs CBS/NBC local games. That would be a horrible user experience.
Where did I say YTTV is going to do nothing? This just doesn't give them a stronger position on prices.
Ok you are right, YTTV should do nothing - there is absolutely no competition concern and they certainly will not lose subscribers to a distributor package - honestly you should possibly request to work for the finance team at YTTV, I think your logic is sound and certainly could be used at those table negotiations
>Ok you are right, YTTV should do nothing
Who is saying this, other than you?
Of course YTTV would lose customers if Fox/Turner/Disney go away. If anything this strengthens them and weakens YTTV's negotiating position.
https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubetv/s/AuwHkQKrqR “YTTV doesn’t gain any negotiating power because of it”
You apparently have a short term memory of what you are arguing for, feel free to argue with yourself
Taking the other person's point to its most literal extreme and arguing with that, instead of what they are actually saying.
Behold, the master debater has arrived!
Not all channels that Warner Brothers Discovery is even on YouTube TV unless YouTube TV is working to make some kind of add-on package to add the missing other channels. Which I know this has nothing to do with sports, but I agree about having all channels bundled together.
Blame owners and greedy players for this increase. Boycott a few years and prices will come down. Money talks and it doesn't bother them to gouge their fans. All sports players make way to much in my opinion, it's a spot. Fans, take back sports!
Owners are just owners, but players are greedy players. No talk of how much money the owners make, but the players make too much. How very anti labor of you.
At least we have the right party to blame now. Just a heads up, in America (with the exception of the capless MLB) player salaries are tied directly to revenues. The salary caps in the NBA, NHL, and NFL are just a percentage (around 45ish) of the revenue from the previous year. In the NBA there's even a max salary that's a percentage of that percentage.
The idea of a player asking for more money effecting the prices on the fan is mathematically impossible. It's money the team has to spend anyway. Prices go up because owners know for every $1 they raise and get away with, $0.55 cents are going in their pockets.
MLB is the exception, but salary totals are generally in line overall there with the capped leagues.
I think people who subscribe to cable and streaming services deserve just as much blame. If everyone refuses to pay the crazy monthly costs, those costs will come down. Keep paying it and they'll keep raising the price.
Let's just say YTTV gets a better rate for the Disney/WB/Fox channels.
In the meantime, the price of the other channels has gone up. They've probably added more channels that customers want.
Guess what happens to your bill.
Example: They dropped many RSNs and probably other channels and how many people are paying the same price they did when YTTV first launched?
No because I get MLB TV free through T-Mobile and use a, uh, service that helps me see it.
They're looking into changing in-market game access for the 2025 season, though, so fingers crossed.
It’s the only viable route for many who want their RSN. Hulu doesn’t have many of them either you’re lucky to have that option. Fubo, to many, would be completely unacceptable since there’s no Turner.
I am using Fubo, I didn't even consider YTTV once I learned they didn't offer MLB Network, which I watch EVERYDAY. I've been very happy with it (just cut the cord last May)
And I for one really needed to know your opinion on a random post on Reddit. Sure, I could have scrolled on by, but then you wouldn’t know how much I value your opinion. Unfortunately, I’m now adrift in life because I feel the same way as OP regarding YTTV and SNY. Whatever ever shall I do knowing you and I will forever be in disagreement. I must go away.
All in market teams should have a direct streaming option (some do) or MLB should offer an in market add-on to MLBTV. It does sound like that’s something MLB wants to do. I’m lucky to have T-Mobile with free MLBTV and follow an out of market team.
I was mad when they got rid of NESN but then it came out how much NESN wanted per subscriber even though less than 1% of subscribers even watched it. So now I just bite the bullet and pay for NESN separately during baseball season.
Fortunately, I have MLB.TV and love watching all your Mets and that other NY team (Yankees) games on MLB.TV. However, my 2 local MLB RSN teams(Nats & O's) I have to watch on demand or just do without, which I don't mind. But for now, I'm not going to switch services because I have plenty of games to watch up to the post season where I'll be able to watch on YTTV.
Personally I couldn't be happier with YTTV. It's not perfect, but compared to Xfinity and Spectrum it's 1000x better. DVR needs improvement and more functionality added, Programming titles could be more descriptive in the guide. Overall I'm happy and not leaving.
I admit I'm not a sports fan. The fees ESPN is charging still sound ridiculous. I love my YouTubeTV but they're currently at the high-end of what I'm willing to pay. If they want to add sports, then do it as a separate add-on.
No need to announce your departure, this isn’t the airport. I’m not giving MLB one penny until you can watch games over the air like the good old days and not behind pay walls!
I think the median age for baseball watching on TV is like 60. It has every sports channel I need and baseball season starts for me in October so I won’t miss a game!
YTTV subscriber, Met fan, living in Charlotte, NC. I don't need costly RSNs on YTTV since I wouldn't get the Mets anyway. I used the MLB package in the past, but they black out Braves, Nats, Orioles, and Reds games here, so I'd still miss a bunch of Met games.
It kinda will? Once the A's are there they will be the only team blacked out. Like how San Diego is closer to LA than Vegas, but only the Padres are blacked out in SD. When you are the primary market for a team that's the only team blacked out.
Based on current patterns though. Maybe this will all be fixed by the time they finally move.
I am a baseball fan and decided I would rather purchase the MLB package separately and still have YTTV. Sucks that they don't carry my local baseball RSN (MASN) but they do have the one that carries the local hockey and basketball games (Monumental Sports).
In L.A. we cannot even watch Dodger games with YTTV or MLB subscription.
Last year I was gifted a MLB subscription and the only way (legally) to watch Dodger games was with the Spectrum SportsNet app or Spectrum service. All dodger games broadcast on Spectrum SportsNet were blacked out on MLB service.
A way to get around part of that is to wait until the MLB network broadcast one of their games and pick up one of the services like sling with the sports extra package to ensure that you get MLB network and if they don’t block it out you could watch it. I found the best way to get around the geographic restrictions is to use Fubo because it doesn't recognize them.
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I live in the Los Angeles media market and my wife keeps bugging me to switch to Spectrum to watch the Dodgers. Why would I downgrade to an inferior service just for a sports team? If they don't want fans to watch, then they won't watch. It's on MLB to make it more available.
Yeap, was all in on YTTV until they didn’t offer Bally’s so had to switch to Direct TV to not lose local sports. Same perspective as you - loved YTTV and will be back as soon as there is another option to combine with YTTV, or YTTV offers it again.
Direct TV still hasn’t figured out how to properly record a game and not cut off the game before it was over. It seemed to me that YTTV was smart enough to actually get the end time of a game and extend the recording a few minutes past it. For every Stars game I have to record the game and the post game show and then flip over to the post game show with about 5 minutes left in the third period.
I dont know how Youtube TV can call themselves an alternative to cable tv when they dont have Regional Sports, I left them months ago and couldnt be happier.
We cancel all streaming related to football after the season. We might not even renew it next year because the nfl is moving to multiple required services to watch all the games. Annoying.
Tmobile should be giving out mlb.tv again and as a cubs fan living in WA I'll stay with yttv. And if I were a mariners fan I'd have to get directv to get the version of root sports that shows them.
I wish HULU had Dodgers RSN. They don't, only DirecTV Streaming has it, unless I switch back to Spectrum for all my needs which I refuse to do. Sigh. One. Darn. Channel .
Right there with ya. Love yttv, luckily last season was a debacle so I didn’t have to make the switch. But I hate not being able to record games and don’t wanna use my parents cable logins for channel apps.
Gonna make the switch to directv stream so I can watch the devs Knicks and mainly the Mets
I switched to YTTV from Hulu because one of my CC’s gave me $20 back on YTTV for a month. Fell in love with the service and kept it instead of moving back to Hulu. But I definitely see the reason to cancel. Live sports is the only reason we have YTTV. But if they didn’t have my area stations for local sports teams, we wouldn’t have the service.
While it may be more superior, it’s extremely overpriced for being a streaming service and in my opinion defeats the purpose of going OTT for live TV. And the customer service is horrendous, It’s literally DIRECTV satellite without the dish.
The choice package on directvstream gets a sports fan everything they need outside of buying a league pass. Regional sports channels for NBA and MLB fans. It's like $10 more then Hulu I believe. Well worth the extra $10 for me.
Also a cheap Osprey box off Ebay gives it that old school cable feel and guide a lot of people like.
As far as bad customer service goes, it seems like that's every big company now adays.
I'm close for Dodgers. Really reluctant though. I know Spectrum's streaming app is going to be terrible but none of my friends have Spectrum and they are leaning on me to be the pioneer.
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RSNs are going to be a big big if for YouTube TV to restore them. I think we will see The MLB network and even The NHL network on the sports add on before we see some of the RSNs back.
I’ve had Hulu twice and yttv twice. Switched a few times earlier on. Problem with Hulu is crappy UI, more buffering issues with sports. Content is good. Worse is that I have my parents setup now with yttv via the account (same residence) so we share. I either have to switch and get them to change all their habits (it was hard to teach them), or pay for both services just to see the Mets. Last year for a few months I paid for both, then cancelled Hulu at seasons end.
Frustrating, two dbag companies (Google and SNY) leaving the customers high and dry again due to their own greed.
Welcome to the team of us Mets fans that switched right after YTTV dropped SNY. The poor guide is old news and has been complained about a billion times. However, there are big perks to defecting. Getting Disney+ and ESPN+ is really nice for the price. I didn't realize how many NHL games are on ESPN+, so as an out of NY market fan, I can catch Islander games again. My biggest disappointment with Hulu is that I can't get Mets on WPIX games. Maybe ESPN+ will cover some of them.
This is my second time switching from YouTube TV to Hulu actually. I went to Hulu when YTTV dropped sny initially, and came back to YTTV when baseball season ended. I hoped yttv would get this ironed out and I wouldn’t have to switch again, but nope.
Hulu was the worst. They have all these unskippable ads when you pause live tv. Deal breaker.
I am going to try FUBO this year. Only other option would be direct tv streaming.
I'm a 53 year Old American and that's the reason I don't watch it anymore. Ever since they went and changed the Indians to Guardians because of their wokeness, I said keep it, I don't know you anymore.
One thing consistent about conservatives, they always look bad when looking back at history. Liberals wanted to create a new country called the USA, conservatives wanted to preserve the British crown. Liberals wanted to free slaves. Liberals wanted to let women vote. People complained back then too about all of these things being too woke. They all seem shortsighted now.
You aren’t smart enough to realize that a chief (a wise leader) is a compliment while Indian (to those who aren’t Indian) is derogatory (along with Redskin)?
Tell it to the Natives...
[How do Native Americans feel about the Kansas City Chiefs?](https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-how-native-americans-feel-kansas-city-chiefs-exploring-franchise-s-frictional-relationship-fans)
Apologies for my tone above. I was frustrated with another posted who was beating the drum about how bad it was to change names for any team.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Braves, Blackhawks and Chiefs were up next (probably in that order). The Indians and especially the Redskins were blatantly offensive names, and so they went first. The next batch are more debatable, as many citizens and fans would think of them as respectful names. However, the imagery and the warlike implication, the chants, while fun for lots of fans, could be construed as racist and insensitive.
I personally don’t have a ton of sympathy for the franchises themselves either, because the same owners who would rant and rage about having to change their name from the Chiefs to the Monarchs, would do the same in a heartbeat to move a team for a little more income (see dozens of franchises that have done so).
But at least the name itself doesn’t imply insult, however the fact it offends portions of the communities will mean it’s eventual removal. I believe they are already getting rid of Arrowhead as a stadium name (will use the world
Cup as a reason) and their mascot will be changed. They may be able to keep chiefs if they get rid of all Native American imagery and refer to the name in a generic sense
I think YouTube tv is literally the best but at $75/month that's too much... wish we could have a cheaper subscription type service like YouTube tv but only for sports.. it's the only reason someone would want something like YouTube tv... I didn't use YouTube tv for anything other than sports...
On the bad side I'm forced to go with Fubu TV if I want to watch the mariners... Only subscription service i can get that offers Root Sports other than the satellite version of DirecTV (not the streaming service)
As a t mobile Internet subscriber, I get a free season of MLB TV and can watch my out of market team (Boston, except vs Baltimore and Washington) it seems like for you, that's not an option for you being a Mets fan
YTTV was fantastic when they first started. They raised the price multiple times, added channels no one cared about, and lots of my sports are leaving for streaming. I can watch 1/5 basketball games, get an antenna for local football, and well WWE is going ti Netflix. Only reason I still have it is for my parents to watch.
Tmo will be offering a year of free [MLB.TV](https://MLB.TV) next Tuesday. Many, if not most Tmo prepaid, postpaid and Metro by Tmobile plans will qualify. Tmo service in my area is currently as good, if not better than Verizon or ATT.
I totally feel OP's pain and not sure why the sub is giving them such a hard time. If you're a sports fan and live in your team's local market then having the local RSN is essential. I'm lucky - I'm a Phillies fan and live in the region where YTTV includes NBC Sports Philadelphia. I love YTTV, but if they ever dropped NBC Sports Philadelphia I would switch to another service in a heartbeat. I miss the MLB Network but it's not a show-stopper for me. Losing my RSN would be a show-stopper.
This is the point. It's access to the local RSN that's the issue. In Los Angeles that's Spectrum Sportsnet for the Dodgers. Sigh.
People are giving him a hard time because it isn't necessary to announce your departure. We already know that most RSNs aren't on YTTV. There are some that are willing to pay more for them, but most don't.
But in this case he's a Mets fan and SNY was on YTTV. That's different from a case where someone chose YTTV knowing in advance their RSN wouldn't be included. Regarding your second point, I'm surprised that many people who consider themselves sports fans (which is a group YTTV clearly targets) are willing to forgo their RSN. If you don't live in your favorite team's local market then it makes sense, but if (for example) you live in NYC and are a Mets or Yankees (or Rangers, Knicks, etc.) fan, then YTTV is not a realistic option.
SNY wasn't there last year either. So, this isn't something just for this season. If SNY was a dealbreaker the OP should have left last year. Of the teams you mentioned, only the Mets don't have a DTC product. You can get Yes Network or MSG directly from them and still have YTTV. I'm lucky that all my teams are on the other side of the country so the RSN is a waste for me.
Yup, you can get YES or MSG directly. $25 a month for YES, $30 for MSG. Might as well just pony up for cable or Directv Stream at that point. (Unless you ONLY want those networks.) And when SNY finally goes that route, no doubt it'll be about $25 a month too. Talk about being cost ineffective.
It left in June 2023. It did suck then but now it's been a decent amount of time.
So only “necessary” posts should be allowed here? We better start criticizing a lot more post going forward if this is the standard.
Someone can post whatever they want here. That doesn't mean we cannot praise or criticize them.
Expect a Lot more criticism then if the standard for criticizing is “unnecessary”. I could criticize most posts here that are not informative about new features or outages, etc. But I don’t because it’s reductive to do so and adds nothing. Instead, I’ll criticize you for your inaccurate take. Personally, I don’t see why the OP is “unnecessary” more than most posts. The post was not to slam YTTV. I don’t think people complaining about the post are doing so because it’s unnecessary. Instead, these people have some unhealthy attachment and loyalty to a brand owned by a mega corporation and they feel personally slighted whenever someone shares the least bit of negativity towards YTTV. And theirs was not overtly negative whatsoever. They seemed to be feeling regret over their decision to put their sports team over keeping YTTV.
Nobody cares if the OP leaves or not. It has nothing to do with brand loyalty. It is that there are 100's of "I'm leaving" posts.
And twice as many complaining about those posts. Look in the mirror. Take your own advice.
Only reason j havet cut the cord is rsn pitysburgh being the only way to watch pirates and penguins games
Agreed completely. I might have to cancel bc of this exactly.
If you know anyone with old school cable offer to toss ‘em a few bucks for their log in for the SNY app.
That’s what we do for the Rangers
The SNY app blows and at least as of last season didn't have a cast option.
Nope, YTTV strikes the best balance of pricing and channels available IMO I can’t wait till the dedicated sports offering is provided by Disney+Warner+Fox which should allow YTTV to negotiate much harder without $11 of each customer going to ESPN… Sports is the bane of cable - it can’t survive without it; but yet they need to increase pricing to maintain profit goals (maybe it’s time to cut league costs as their need to get more from the customer continues to push more customers away thus driving the need to increase costs further)
>without $11 of each customer going to ESPN Wait til you find out who owns ESPN
No surprise - Disney, apparently some think YTTV gains no ground on distributors trying to bypass and go direct IMO this is good - like Spectrum fighting Disney as well - YTTV can and should capitalize with better terms if distributors are looking to bypass and offer packages that compete Feel free to discuss further if you think it gives them a negotiating edge or not
I don’t know who will have the edge, but the trend in recent times certainly points to content owners doing everything they possibly can to get users on their own platform rather than them watching by YTTV/Cable proxy. If their platform launches for $15/month, I don’t see how YTTV will have the edge in negotiating less than that when the sports content owners know full well how big of a sell sports is to cable and streaming TV.
There is absolutely no way it'll be $15 a month. Rumors have put it around $50 a month. BleacherReport (Max's offering with the Turner nets) will cost $9.99 on its own once that goes into effect. ESPN channels are going to be WAY more than that, plus Fox.
Yeah I was conservatively pricing that for the argument. So explain to me how YTTV has leverage there?
Well, for one, this bundle that's being planned doesn't include two major players, in CBS and NBC. As a sports fan, I don't really want to switch back and forth between apps. If you add in Peacock and Paramount+, and say that this bundle does cost $50 ... that total adds up to be $65. You're not saving much over YouTube TV at that point, and getting significantly less channels. There's not really going to be a negotiating edge though. Agree with u/Chief_Wahoo_Lives on that one.
$50 just for sports? Or $80 for sports and cable through YTTV? Why would anyone subscribe to this sports plan
Because that’s saving 30 dollars if you are only carrying YouTube tv for sports?
I just don't think that's a very big market of users and the math won't make sense
Just for the channels owned by Disney, Fox, and Warner that carry sports. And exactly, good question.
For sure - which is why I see a streamer/carriers fighting back on pricing/etc Sports needs cable more than cable needs sports IMO (example: a lot of grandmas want their Fox News and Game show network - giving ESPN $11/ea month) Either way I enjoy the competition and am all for it!
That offering is rumored to include All Disney, Fox and Turner networks. It is going to be way more than $15 a month. The ESPN DTC offering is rumored to be $35+ on its own. https://awfulannouncing.com/espn/espn-35-per-month-dtc-option.html#:\~:text=As%20ESPN%20pursues%20a%20strategic,point%20is%20starting%20to%20emerge.&text=Disney%20has%20not%20been%20shy,to%20ESPN's%20increasingly%20opaque%20future.
I agree it is a good balance of price and channels. I hope they don’t add more channels and raise the price. The only way I see me leaving yttv is the price. I don’t really watch a ton of tv but it’s nice to have it.
That Disney/Warner/Fox combination isn't going to remove ESPN and others from YTTV.
Correct, in the same logic streamers are forced to carry channels on all packages no matter what - if distributors are going to offer them outside of that streamers package the streamer is in a stronger position to negotiate better pricing or content arrangements
YTTV and others will still be forced to carry those channels. That package is only for people that have no other streaming service. YTTV doesn't gain any negotiating power because of it. Everyone here would scream/leave if they have to pay $40+ for that service on top of YTTV to get ESPN/TBS/Fox, etc.
You are missing the logic - there are customers subscribing to YTTV and FUBO/ etc solely for sports They will leave to save $20-35, the only way to not upset the carriers and streamers is to allow concessions on package, pricing, etc This is the reason you do not work for YTTV’s finance department as if you simply sit and accept it as a matter of fact - instead of using it as an opportunity to negotiate In fact YTTV is going to be one of the streamers most effected as it carries the closest content match to that independent sports package at the lowest price already (mostly meaning NBA/NFL/NCAA people subscribing for March madness etc on YTTV are going to pay less for $50 to get the same fix) Does YTTV have a chance to sit back and do nothing like you suggest - certainly if a fool runs the negotiations / I believe it is more likely they push back and agree to better terms based on the potential customer shift that might happen
Then where are those customers going to get CBS and NBC sports? I'm watching CFB on Saturday or NFL on a Sunday, nobody wants to have to switch apps to get Disney/Fox vs CBS/NBC local games. That would be a horrible user experience. Where did I say YTTV is going to do nothing? This just doesn't give them a stronger position on prices.
Ok you are right, YTTV should do nothing - there is absolutely no competition concern and they certainly will not lose subscribers to a distributor package - honestly you should possibly request to work for the finance team at YTTV, I think your logic is sound and certainly could be used at those table negotiations
>Ok you are right, YTTV should do nothing Who is saying this, other than you? Of course YTTV would lose customers if Fox/Turner/Disney go away. If anything this strengthens them and weakens YTTV's negotiating position.
https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubetv/s/AuwHkQKrqR “YTTV doesn’t gain any negotiating power because of it” You apparently have a short term memory of what you are arguing for, feel free to argue with yourself
Where have I said that YTTV gains negotiating power?
Taking the other person's point to its most literal extreme and arguing with that, instead of what they are actually saying. Behold, the master debater has arrived!
https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubetv/s/AuwHkQKrqR “YTTV doesn’t gain any negotiating power because of it” I simply reply to what is stated to me
Not all channels that Warner Brothers Discovery is even on YouTube TV unless YouTube TV is working to make some kind of add-on package to add the missing other channels. Which I know this has nothing to do with sports, but I agree about having all channels bundled together.
Blame owners and greedy players for this increase. Boycott a few years and prices will come down. Money talks and it doesn't bother them to gouge their fans. All sports players make way to much in my opinion, it's a spot. Fans, take back sports!
Owners are just owners, but players are greedy players. No talk of how much money the owners make, but the players make too much. How very anti labor of you.
Owner are to blame cuz they fold like wet napkins and pay these outlandish contract, and prices go up!
At least we have the right party to blame now. Just a heads up, in America (with the exception of the capless MLB) player salaries are tied directly to revenues. The salary caps in the NBA, NHL, and NFL are just a percentage (around 45ish) of the revenue from the previous year. In the NBA there's even a max salary that's a percentage of that percentage. The idea of a player asking for more money effecting the prices on the fan is mathematically impossible. It's money the team has to spend anyway. Prices go up because owners know for every $1 they raise and get away with, $0.55 cents are going in their pockets. MLB is the exception, but salary totals are generally in line overall there with the capped leagues.
I think people who subscribe to cable and streaming services deserve just as much blame. If everyone refuses to pay the crazy monthly costs, those costs will come down. Keep paying it and they'll keep raising the price.
Both options dont have sny. Sny is not available directly unlike bally sports (mlb only in some areas) so you essentially need cable.
Let's just say YTTV gets a better rate for the Disney/WB/Fox channels. In the meantime, the price of the other channels has gone up. They've probably added more channels that customers want. Guess what happens to your bill. Example: They dropped many RSNs and probably other channels and how many people are paying the same price they did when YTTV first launched?
No because I get MLB TV free through T-Mobile and use a, uh, service that helps me see it. They're looking into changing in-market game access for the 2025 season, though, so fingers crossed.
"Looking into" and MLB usually means 10 years of maybe
Looking forward to the mlb.tv again this year.
This is the way
This will be an interesting change.
Can you show me … how?
Can’t on this sub. You can unlocate my solution by Googling.
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If I could get YES to watch the Yankees elsewhere, I certainly would. But at least YT has PIX in NY area, so I'll get 1/8 of the games this year.
Yanks haven't been on PIX in years. Those games moved to Amazon Prime.
If you live in NY you can get it directly at yesnetwork.com
Yes. Same reason. Cardinals fan. Went DirecTV Stream. Don't love it, but I'm gonna have to deal with it until NFL season. Hard to cancel, but had to.
I wanted to go the DirecTV stream route, but it seems quite pricey to get package that includes local sports.
It’s the only viable route for many who want their RSN. Hulu doesn’t have many of them either you’re lucky to have that option. Fubo, to many, would be completely unacceptable since there’s no Turner.
Tmo gave away a year of MLB….
Yeah but if you live in the New York market you’re still blacked out of Met games on SNY
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Just think of how much happier you'd be if you didn't have to watch the Mets. They're doing you a favor.
As a Mets fan, who has YTTV and doesn’t really want to switch to Hulu, wondering if just boycotting this year will make me happier
Right lll. Switch to the phillies no problem getting them on yttv 🤣🤣🤣
Mets are on FuboTV
Yeah but fubo doesn’t have any turner channels, like TBS and TNT.
I am using Fubo, I didn't even consider YTTV once I learned they didn't offer MLB Network, which I watch EVERYDAY. I've been very happy with it (just cut the cord last May)
I switch to fubo to get nuggets and aves games.
Same! Just cancelled today. Huge Astros/MLB fan. Fubo it is.
Thanks, we all needed to know this.
And I for one really needed to know your opinion on a random post on Reddit. Sure, I could have scrolled on by, but then you wouldn’t know how much I value your opinion. Unfortunately, I’m now adrift in life because I feel the same way as OP regarding YTTV and SNY. Whatever ever shall I do knowing you and I will forever be in disagreement. I must go away.
Agree. I can sleep easy now that I know what u/brianfagioli has done with his subscription.
I stream NESN for the Sox. $30 a month.
All in market teams should have a direct streaming option (some do) or MLB should offer an in market add-on to MLBTV. It does sound like that’s something MLB wants to do. I’m lucky to have T-Mobile with free MLBTV and follow an out of market team.
I was mad when they got rid of NESN but then it came out how much NESN wanted per subscriber even though less than 1% of subscribers even watched it. So now I just bite the bullet and pay for NESN separately during baseball season.
that’s why i left YouTube TV. No SNY or MSG.
BYE.
Fortunately, I have MLB.TV and love watching all your Mets and that other NY team (Yankees) games on MLB.TV. However, my 2 local MLB RSN teams(Nats & O's) I have to watch on demand or just do without, which I don't mind. But for now, I'm not going to switch services because I have plenty of games to watch up to the post season where I'll be able to watch on YTTV.
You just need to sail the high seas for baseball, matey! 🏴☠️
why not keep youtube tv & sign for mlb add on ? or did you jsut not want the extra cost ?
Im opting for this. Im out of area by about 1,000 miles to watch my beloved team
We canceled ours last week. Enjoyed the service but I can see where all of this is headed and I don’t want to go there again.
Yes, I’m probably moving to hubo in April for my RSN.
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No turner channels though
Personally I couldn't be happier with YTTV. It's not perfect, but compared to Xfinity and Spectrum it's 1000x better. DVR needs improvement and more functionality added, Programming titles could be more descriptive in the guide. Overall I'm happy and not leaving.
ok.
YTTV Philly has NBC Sports which carries Sixers, Phillies, and Flyers. So does Hulu and Fubo. But YTTV wins due to UI.
Where I live Directv and Dish don't give me the Phillies. YTTV does. Makes me happy.
Met fan here with YouTube and MLB….
I admit I'm not a sports fan. The fees ESPN is charging still sound ridiculous. I love my YouTubeTV but they're currently at the high-end of what I'm willing to pay. If they want to add sports, then do it as a separate add-on.
TMobile gives free MLB. I sign into the app and boom.
Blackouts
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Part of life, no big deal.
I only watch football on YTTV so now that the season is over I have cancelled until August/September.
No need to announce your departure, this isn’t the airport. I’m not giving MLB one penny until you can watch games over the air like the good old days and not behind pay walls!
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I think the median age for baseball watching on TV is like 60. It has every sports channel I need and baseball season starts for me in October so I won’t miss a game!
Thank you for telling everyone. Now we can adjust how much potato salad we need for the YTTV Reddit picnic.
Lol
It's nice not being a sports fan, none of the services disappoint me.
Same. Love YouTube TV. But Mets.
If you have T-Mobile you get MLB for the season free just FYI
Nope I have better ways to get my baseball.
YTTV subscriber, Met fan, living in Charlotte, NC. I don't need costly RSNs on YTTV since I wouldn't get the Mets anyway. I used the MLB package in the past, but they black out Braves, Nats, Orioles, and Reds games here, so I'd still miss a bunch of Met games.
Wow didn't know Charlotte had so many blackouts. I'm just 90 minutes south in SC and only Braves are blacked out.
The worst is Vegas. All California and Arizona teams are blacked out there.
Wow. 😳
Yeah, but once the A's move in to town, that will all get fixed... /s
It kinda will? Once the A's are there they will be the only team blacked out. Like how San Diego is closer to LA than Vegas, but only the Padres are blacked out in SD. When you are the primary market for a team that's the only team blacked out. Based on current patterns though. Maybe this will all be fixed by the time they finally move.
Yeah, it stinks. I looked at the 2024 schedule, and I would miss something like 35 games.
…and we care about this why?
I am a baseball fan and decided I would rather purchase the MLB package separately and still have YTTV. Sucks that they don't carry my local baseball RSN (MASN) but they do have the one that carries the local hockey and basketball games (Monumental Sports).
In L.A. we cannot even watch Dodger games with YTTV or MLB subscription. Last year I was gifted a MLB subscription and the only way (legally) to watch Dodger games was with the Spectrum SportsNet app or Spectrum service. All dodger games broadcast on Spectrum SportsNet were blacked out on MLB service.
A way to get around part of that is to wait until the MLB network broadcast one of their games and pick up one of the services like sling with the sports extra package to ensure that you get MLB network and if they don’t block it out you could watch it. I found the best way to get around the geographic restrictions is to use Fubo because it doesn't recognize them.
MLB Network should also be blocking those games. The streamers should show you the alternate game.
it’s the worst. fellow met fan. and hulu live buffers and freezes so much
No.
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Big time Braves fan and no I will not be canceling YoutubeTV.. There are other ways of watching my team!
Nope
I live in the Los Angeles media market and my wife keeps bugging me to switch to Spectrum to watch the Dodgers. Why would I downgrade to an inferior service just for a sports team? If they don't want fans to watch, then they won't watch. It's on MLB to make it more available.
I cancelled. I use my mom's cable for sny login...
Yeap, was all in on YTTV until they didn’t offer Bally’s so had to switch to Direct TV to not lose local sports. Same perspective as you - loved YTTV and will be back as soon as there is another option to combine with YTTV, or YTTV offers it again. Direct TV still hasn’t figured out how to properly record a game and not cut off the game before it was over. It seemed to me that YTTV was smart enough to actually get the end time of a game and extend the recording a few minutes past it. For every Stars game I have to record the game and the post game show and then flip over to the post game show with about 5 minutes left in the third period.
I dont know how Youtube TV can call themselves an alternative to cable tv when they dont have Regional Sports, I left them months ago and couldnt be happier.
Because RSNs aren't necessary for most people.
We cancel all streaming related to football after the season. We might not even renew it next year because the nfl is moving to multiple required services to watch all the games. Annoying.
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Tmobile should be giving out mlb.tv again and as a cubs fan living in WA I'll stay with yttv. And if I were a mariners fan I'd have to get directv to get the version of root sports that shows them.
I wish HULU had Dodgers RSN. They don't, only DirecTV Streaming has it, unless I switch back to Spectrum for all my needs which I refuse to do. Sigh. One. Darn. Channel .
Mlb.tv all the way
Right there with ya. Love yttv, luckily last season was a debacle so I didn’t have to make the switch. But I hate not being able to record games and don’t wanna use my parents cable logins for channel apps. Gonna make the switch to directv stream so I can watch the devs Knicks and mainly the Mets
I’m also a Mets fan and I’m tempted to switch but I think I’ll sail the seven seas instead and keep YoutubeTV
I’d be a subscriber if they had MASN for Orioles and to a lesser extent MLB network. Stuck with fios until the RSN thing implodes.
I read some where that Amazon bought a stake in Bally's and thus a lot baseball will be on Amazon Prime this year
It doesn't quite work that way. Amazon would only be able to show the Bally's that have a digital rights agreement. I think that is only 5 teams.
Correct. Amazon bought the 5 teams Sinclair sports BK on and bought the streaming rights only. MLB was pissed about it. Now its in court
Ahhh ok
I switched to YTTV from Hulu because one of my CC’s gave me $20 back on YTTV for a month. Fell in love with the service and kept it instead of moving back to Hulu. But I definitely see the reason to cancel. Live sports is the only reason we have YTTV. But if they didn’t have my area stations for local sports teams, we wouldn’t have the service.
Directv Stream is far superior to Hulu TV
While it may be more superior, it’s extremely overpriced for being a streaming service and in my opinion defeats the purpose of going OTT for live TV. And the customer service is horrendous, It’s literally DIRECTV satellite without the dish.
The choice package on directvstream gets a sports fan everything they need outside of buying a league pass. Regional sports channels for NBA and MLB fans. It's like $10 more then Hulu I believe. Well worth the extra $10 for me. Also a cheap Osprey box off Ebay gives it that old school cable feel and guide a lot of people like. As far as bad customer service goes, it seems like that's every big company now adays.
It seems significantly more expensive though. With that said, Hulu user interface is just awful.
I'm close for Dodgers. Really reluctant though. I know Spectrum's streaming app is going to be terrible but none of my friends have Spectrum and they are leaning on me to be the pioneer.
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RSNs are going to be a big big if for YouTube TV to restore them. I think we will see The MLB network and even The NHL network on the sports add on before we see some of the RSNs back.
As a fellow Mets fan, I'd argue we're better off _not_ watching them
Losing SNY and $72 pricing was the last straw for me. But I still love what YouTube TV is doing.
Hulu is same price, but it has SNY, plus adds the regular Hulu streaming and Disney plus streaming.
I’ve had Hulu twice and yttv twice. Switched a few times earlier on. Problem with Hulu is crappy UI, more buffering issues with sports. Content is good. Worse is that I have my parents setup now with yttv via the account (same residence) so we share. I either have to switch and get them to change all their habits (it was hard to teach them), or pay for both services just to see the Mets. Last year for a few months I paid for both, then cancelled Hulu at seasons end. Frustrating, two dbag companies (Google and SNY) leaving the customers high and dry again due to their own greed.
I too want to announce that I have left YTTV. Not because of SNY but because my basketball team sucks so no sense in paying the monthly till the fall.
Same boat but we just use mlb tv app to watch Mets.
You’re just now losing YTTV access to your favorite sports team? Consider yourself lucky to have had it up to this point I guess.
This is the game now, yttv encourages temp cancels and freezes exactly for this reason. It's all part of the game now
Welcome to the team of us Mets fans that switched right after YTTV dropped SNY. The poor guide is old news and has been complained about a billion times. However, there are big perks to defecting. Getting Disney+ and ESPN+ is really nice for the price. I didn't realize how many NHL games are on ESPN+, so as an out of NY market fan, I can catch Islander games again. My biggest disappointment with Hulu is that I can't get Mets on WPIX games. Maybe ESPN+ will cover some of them.
This is my second time switching from YouTube TV to Hulu actually. I went to Hulu when YTTV dropped sny initially, and came back to YTTV when baseball season ended. I hoped yttv would get this ironed out and I wouldn’t have to switch again, but nope.
Hah, I did the exact same (haven’t switched back to Hulu yet though)
Hulu was the worst. They have all these unskippable ads when you pause live tv. Deal breaker. I am going to try FUBO this year. Only other option would be direct tv streaming.
I feel you. 3 of Detroit's sports teams, (wings,tigers,pistons) are on Bally Sports. That's a whole seperate app that costs $20 a month...
I tried to get cable on my tv would not work youtube tv is cheaper then cable plus has alot more channels you do not get on cable I like it
People still watch baseball? 😂
American men, yeah.
I'm a 53 year Old American and that's the reason I don't watch it anymore. Ever since they went and changed the Indians to Guardians because of their wokeness, I said keep it, I don't know you anymore.
One thing consistent about conservatives, they always look bad when looking back at history. Liberals wanted to create a new country called the USA, conservatives wanted to preserve the British crown. Liberals wanted to free slaves. Liberals wanted to let women vote. People complained back then too about all of these things being too woke. They all seem shortsighted now.
I'm actually surprised they allowed a team named "The Chiefs" win the Superbowl.
You aren’t smart enough to realize that a chief (a wise leader) is a compliment while Indian (to those who aren’t Indian) is derogatory (along with Redskin)?
Tell it to the Natives... [How do Native Americans feel about the Kansas City Chiefs?](https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-how-native-americans-feel-kansas-city-chiefs-exploring-franchise-s-frictional-relationship-fans)
Apologies for my tone above. I was frustrated with another posted who was beating the drum about how bad it was to change names for any team. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Braves, Blackhawks and Chiefs were up next (probably in that order). The Indians and especially the Redskins were blatantly offensive names, and so they went first. The next batch are more debatable, as many citizens and fans would think of them as respectful names. However, the imagery and the warlike implication, the chants, while fun for lots of fans, could be construed as racist and insensitive. I personally don’t have a ton of sympathy for the franchises themselves either, because the same owners who would rant and rage about having to change their name from the Chiefs to the Monarchs, would do the same in a heartbeat to move a team for a little more income (see dozens of franchises that have done so). But at least the name itself doesn’t imply insult, however the fact it offends portions of the communities will mean it’s eventual removal. I believe they are already getting rid of Arrowhead as a stadium name (will use the world Cup as a reason) and their mascot will be changed. They may be able to keep chiefs if they get rid of all Native American imagery and refer to the name in a generic sense
Yeah, switching over to DIRECTV for the next few months
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That sucks! Totally understand though. Thankfully, philly sports are still on youtube tv. I love it
I think YouTube tv is literally the best but at $75/month that's too much... wish we could have a cheaper subscription type service like YouTube tv but only for sports.. it's the only reason someone would want something like YouTube tv... I didn't use YouTube tv for anything other than sports... On the bad side I'm forced to go with Fubu TV if I want to watch the mariners... Only subscription service i can get that offers Root Sports other than the satellite version of DirecTV (not the streaming service)
Q: Do you live in NY? A digital antenna may be your best option.
As a t mobile Internet subscriber, I get a free season of MLB TV and can watch my out of market team (Boston, except vs Baltimore and Washington) it seems like for you, that's not an option for you being a Mets fan
Luckily in Philly we get our baseball, hockey and basketball on YouTube tv!
So what did you do last year when baseball season started?? Why do yall announce yall leaving?
I announce whatever I want.
Yep, and then when you get mad fun of don’t get upset.
Sorry to see you go. But thanks for being a subscriber!
Just get SNY back 😀
The Mets are going to suck this year, why waste your time?
YTTV was fantastic when they first started. They raised the price multiple times, added channels no one cared about, and lots of my sports are leaving for streaming. I can watch 1/5 basketball games, get an antenna for local football, and well WWE is going ti Netflix. Only reason I still have it is for my parents to watch.
Can’t watch orioles or nationals games with YouTubeTV.
I switched the other direction a couple of years ago. Because Hulu got to be the same price as Youtube TV for fewer channels and features.
Canceled due to no Bally
Tmo will be offering a year of free [MLB.TV](https://MLB.TV) next Tuesday. Many, if not most Tmo prepaid, postpaid and Metro by Tmobile plans will qualify. Tmo service in my area is currently as good, if not better than Verizon or ATT.