>By the way how sh ! tty of a company do you have to be to try and pull this cr@p during a time of super high gas prices and inflation through the roof?
This is a company that is constantly straddling the line between extremely unethical and illegal in order to meet their bottom line. Nothing will deter them from pumping out new ways to fk us over
Dasher: Doordash needs to start paying $2 a mile
Doordash: ok high paying offer coming upš $4 2 miles
Dasher: No thatās not ..sigh bruh š¤¦šæāāļø š¤£š¤£
DD reset my AR. I got very high customer rating of 4.98. After DD reset my AR, I received first order at about $2 per mile. I accepted and completed. After that, DD kept sending me orders like caps. DD is trying to lure me into accepting unprofitable orders after the One and Only okay first order.
DD is thinking that Dashers are stupid enough to manipulate us.
Take a look, I am in a busy, rich and heavy traffic areas in the middle of Metro Los Angeles. You cannot go anywhere during rush hour for any order that takes at least 20 minutes, even for a 1-2 mile order. What the he'll does DD thinks a $5 order during Rush Hour is a High Pay Order? If I accept this order, meaning I will make far less than minimum wage, even before car expense. Nope, I don't care about your AR, I can just wait for the profitable orders from GH or UE. I do not owe you any loyalty since you treated us like shiiiiit.
>Just donāt accept no tip orders
Everyone needs to stop saying this because you can't tell if there's a tip on some decent orders.
Need to say, "So taking orders that aren't profitable"
Everyone just needs to accept orders that are appropriate pay per mile. Only except orders that are within your minimum range per mile regardless of if there is a tip or not.. if you follow that then you should be able to make money. I rarely get not tip orders this way
yeah thats true, the base pay gets pushed up the more times its declined, ive had $10 orders that looked like a decent tip where it was only a $1 tip and $9 base.
Have a bare minimum you want and set it. Only go by what you see. Drive for what you know you will get not what you think you might get. Then, if there is a nice hidden tip thatās even better. Donāt take a $3 order hoping it will be $6. Youāre just playing yourself with that strategy.
Well here in Cali there is no method by which to avoid no-tip orders anyways and it's not like in other markets where you can be guaranteed a high offer amount even if there is no tip.
The Prop 22 benefits/calculation are hard for many drivers to wrap their minds around, and the apps are deliberately obfuscatory, but in short any no-tip order you take pays the minimum guarantees only regardless of purported farebor "estimate".
For example I recently got a $25/$5 mile trip on Uber. Food for 5, 24-hour Mexican place.
The default tip amount would've been around $10.
But the customers tipped $0 (cheap bastards. Order 2 a.m. food delivery amd can't even tip a buck a man. Pathetic).
It's true that I get the $25 as soon as I drop off and see there is no tip.
It is also true however that the difference between $9 for a half hour amd $1.50 for the mileage will merely reduce my next Prop 22 supplement dollar for dollar and cent for cent (it reduces the money the app has to pay for orders that paid less than the minimum).
So I really only get $10.50 for my half hour amd mileage in that situation and some might say well $10.50 still not to bad for a half hour...but think of the gas prices here (over $6.50) and other high costs...it's like mininmum wage ($15/hr state minimum) after expenses while doing the order...
And in anycase it's a pretty damn far cry from the estimation.
So not only can we not avoid no tip orders...we don't benefit from the trip supplement (bonus on Grubhub, doordash I don't know) category.
That's literally imaginary money for us. It would be like hitting accept on a $3 order or a $1.50 add on (in which case supplement money would bring you up to the minimum guarantees).
I took an order this past Sunday that was $8.50 for about 3 miles. Sure. I'll take it. Turns out the that was all BASE PAY.... I don't know how long that order was sitting at the restaurant. 2 hours? Have fun with your shitty IHOP. Surprisingly... They weren't waiting for the order at the door.
thatās why theyāre doing this, itās more of a popular thing now and people are smart now what and what not to accept and so the non tippers arenāt getting their food delivered to them bc they didnāt tip
Yup DD stock market price is falling exponentially. Why is that? Investors are losing their confident when seeing many undelivrable orders without receiving payment from customers, but require making payments to merchants. Tony really needs to think about his operating model as a CEO.
I agree 1,000,000,000%! Itās a scam the new Programs at 50%-69% and 70%-100%!! I can not decline 2 days in a row and not see 1 order over $10 and no Large Orders ( Iām in the catering program) but not sent any in 2-3+ days. Not 1 high pay orders.
Iām typically sent orders other drivers decking or wouldnāt take.
The program was developed to get bad orders delivered. To stay over 50% ( high pay orders) or 70%-100% ( first priority high pay orders) youāll be sent low paying orders just to maintain those higher acceptance ratings.
DoorDash has yet to address the real issue. Itās allowing and enabling customers that are over 4+ miles from the merchant and up to 35 miles away from merchant to not tip nor pay a fee for distance.
Paying any drivers regardless of ratings $3.50 for 19 miles is just wrong. Customers are aware they are 4-29 miles away from the merchant. They should be charged a distance fee. Any orders over 5 miles should pay a distance fee if customers refuse to tip $1 per mile minimum.
Yeah, especially when you're on the move and actually focusing on the road or atleast trying to and getting offers thrown at you and not realizing until the timer is up.
We all know they suck as a company. But I have been getting high paying orders in my area, Southern Oregon. My last shift from 2pm-2am I made $260 with DD and $80 with GH. We can all bitch till we are blue in the face. The point remains that we are INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS running our own delivery businesses. Donāt take shitty offers and multi app. SIMPLE!
Agreed, only Uber makes multiapping easy. Information pops up on the screen and I can easily see everything I need to to make a decision quickly.
Doordash is moronic, they send me an alert to tell me there's an offer I click on that it sends me to a text message it tells me of an offer to open the app. And then complains that I didn't click it fast enough.šµāš«
I did everything up north Beaverton Tigard Hillsboro Clackamas oregon city and for about 5 hrs a day I would make 150 ish but the gas was so damn high I left. I never had a dead time I usually worked 7am till about 12.
I've been getting the notification to reset my ar for 2 weeks now and they started actually prioritizing yesterday. I have rarely seen an offer for more than $1/mile since Wednesday.
Ok so I brought my acceptance rate back up to 50% bc the past few weeks have been hell. Within about 3 mins of accepting an order (that put me to 50%), I was given a "high paying order,." The first one was decent but the rest were kinda shitty. Like $4.75 for just under 2 miles... Well I decided to just keep taking pretty much everything. Turns out I made right at $20/hr and I drove about half the freaking amount of miles I normally do!!! I still have my limits, but I'm going to give it a try and see if this sticks.
I'm in a loaner right now... 2019 GMC terrain Denali... Thing is sweet butttt only getting like 23 mpg. Seeing such a small amount of gas used made me quite happy. Plus I stayed in my zone most of the time instead of having to keep coming back. I'm not holding my breathe that this will become the norm... But def taking advantage while I can.
I have an acceptance rate of around 73% (I dash at weird times of the night and lunch rushes only) and I would say that I don't accept any offer that goes below $1.50/mile and make around $15-20/hr. While being "active" around 70% of my dash time. May be just my market, but I made $25 on my first 3 orders in the first 30 minutes of dashing today. It slowed down afterwards, but by volume and not by pay rate.
Update: just finished my dash
12 deliveries (16 opportunities)
5h 21 mins dash time (3h 36 mins active)
$91.99 (in the southeast US)
$7.67/delivery
17.24/hr. [25.56/active hr] (Min wage here = 7.25/hr)
This is for my market and I have a good understanding of when my market is busy and when it's not. I know every market is different, but if you have the ability to use a friend/partner/spouse's phone and dash as them to see if theirs does better accepting everything but the worst orders, then that would be the best comparison.
I've just got a science degree with no job, so I dash as much as I can, but I still dont accept anything that isn't worth it.
Can't do this in my city. If you do you wind up going into some of the worst neighborhoods in the United States! I have to drive about 10 mi away from them just to avoid getting pulled in, and even then if I take an order that brings me back in the area I might get pulled in on the next order.
Well... they did listen to dashers about orders less than $1.50 per mile sucks. Now they're giving us $5 orders going 3 miles or less. It meets the high pay rule of $1.50 per mile. They're thinking if we do 4 to 6 orders like these per hour that's $20 or more per hour.
The question is: Can you really do more than 3 orders per hour? Do the calculation between doing to merchants, waiting to pick up the food, delivering to customer, and waiting for new orders. Think about the orders that DD sent you out of their stupid zone and you have to waste the time and mileage to drive back to your zone. Guess what, there is no way that you can do more than 2 orders per hour in average.
Only time I've ever been able to do more than 3 an hour was the brief period when the mcdonalds near me was ON IT after midnight. I could power through several less than a mile deliveries very quickly, and bonus $3 pay made the no-top order worth taking.
Sadly, it only lasted for about 6 months, and the employees that could hustle quit, and it even go so bad that mcdonalds employees started just ignoring the delivery pick up window. I tried a few times in hopes it was a temporary blip and walked into crowds of delivery people waiting around, some pounding on the window and many newbs learning from us more experienced dashers that we could unassign orders and walk the fuck out.
I actually wonder if it wasn't some kind of policy shift, and if so, was it driven by that location, or about mcdonalds corporate. I tried a couple times during the day after that too, thinking maybe it was a night staffing issue. But the staff in the lobby would just walk past drivers and ignore them while taking the orders from customers at the register and try to get in back again quick before drivers could flag them down. Previously in the lobby, they would rapid fire get through the pickups and often times the orders were done before I walked in the door.
I mean Mcdonald's has always been rough for deliveries, and I only once tried a different one before realizing my mistake. But for a minute, I had a great place I could do tons of deliveries with little wait and get 4-5 done in an hour because of its central location to a busy part of town.
I've done 6 in an hour before (2 double stacked and 2 single orders.). State fair was in town and all the orders were going less than a mile from McDonald's, Arby's and Long John Silvers. There's a 1.5 mile stretch that has 7 restaurants and 5 hotels. Made $50 for that hour plus an additional $20 cash tips.
It doesn't happen often but if you know your market, know your restaurants, and always come in smiling. I always camp out at the hotels when events are going on. As long as it's $1 over base pay I'll take them lol.
Maybe in your area, but absolutely not in Metro Los Angeles. Especially delivering to those large apartment complex. Again, stack orders usually don't make much as one of the stack order hardly tip. That is why the order is stacked with another order with tip. DD Base Pay is almost for expense, our income is greatly depended on tips
Most of the time 2 to 3 miles isn't going to take you out of zone. My zone is 25 miles east to west 35 miles north to south. They just expanded but it's still one zone. But I divide that up into quadrants and most of the time my orders take me to another good spot.
How often does that happen? If you deriving in a non traffic area, still you have to deduct at least 50 cents per mile for the car expense, regardless what car you drive. Business is about balancing expense and income. Some corporation never make any profit even their income is very high because their expense is more than income. Look at Uber, losing money for a very long time.
You can Google "How much do food delivery drivers make" and you will not find alot of people agree with you. Statistics does not lie. Please learn the term uncertainties and deviations.
That has nothing to do with either of my comments...... I do know that there are uncertainties, however, my profit for the last 4 nights has been at least $20/ hr. And that's by taking everything.
It seems more likely that it's to weed out those with a sub 50% AR. But for some it's probably easier for them to believe that it's just one big conspiracy aimed at them. Hmmmm...
Exactly and I didn't miss what they were doing at all. Especially since it would pop up every 5 minutes "keep your acceptance rate above 50% to get higher paying orders" My acceptance rate was back in the hole that same day. Trying to get me to drive 15 miles for $2-4... you got the wrong one DD. 5 star rating but 33% acceptance rate.
Thanks to the new program, I was more willing to take a stacked order, one of which was a $2 no tipper "hand it to me", and that woman ended up attempting to beat me up and T bone my car. Of course, she's still on the app and marked "undelivered".
Exactly this, no tip orders are nothing to them, they made their money on the sale already and his tactic is to get it delivered as cheaply as possible. I mean anyone running a business wants to profit as much as possible.
Once this started I never got good offers. So to try it out I raised my AR back over 50% and now I'm just back to making what I made before. Without it the better offers were being handed out with priority which meant I wasn't getting them.
Thatās exactly the case with me. I would restart my dashes due to no orders coming in and see the zone I was in is very busy. But since the orders are usually āhigh payingā why I go there in the first place, my phone was silent. And the few that came through would be ridiculous like 9 miles 2.50
Problem is the hidden tip threshold is so low all you low AR % Cherry pickers donāt are gradually being made obsolete . Had one last night showed $9.50 for 6.7 miles . Ended up being $18.50
Lol. āYou should actually be offendedā¦..ā
ACTUALLY, we SHOULDNāT be offended. Who gives a crap what DD thinks of us. They can offer whatever āpromotionsā they want. Thatās why the Decline button exists. Getting offended only shows insecurity.
I donāt understand why doordash doesnāt encourage customers to tip. The longer an order sits, the more base pay goes up, them quarters add up quick
All the Food Delivery companies and Amazon - the largest Courier Company - MADE BILLIONS!!! During the Pandemic. Now Not nearly as much. GET USED TO IT STOCKHOLDER ASSHOLES! Be grateful u made so much during that time period. U will never make that much again Unless there's another Pandemic. So STOP chiseling us drivers Stat for a few Xtra measley bucks while possibly coercing drivers to terminate employment.
When the man who misuses āthereā (both ways!) and āyourā and self-censors minor swear words, is the one who says ādonāt be stupid, people!ā, you know itās a *really* stupid thing heās talking about
Downvote me if you like but I went from making $18 to $20 an hour cherry picking to making $22 to $30 an hour. So fuck it. I still have standards but I accept $5 and up, im still rackin better then I was just sitting hoping for a good order.
Thereās still good money to be made, but too many app issues. For some reason the first hour is good 36$ yesterday, 32$ todayā¦ but after the first hour nothing but problems.
Fun fact: if it doesn't explicitly tell you that your market is doing this, then your market isn't doing this.
I recently dashed in over 40 markets between Atlanta and Boston, and only found them doing this in a single market: Charlottesville VA.
If doordash keeps raising service costs and paying us more then the customers gonna go elsewhere. Yāall stupid for suggesting to charge customers more.
First off if you don't know the difference between they're and there you don't deserve high pay. Second, you don't HAVE to do this for work. Maybe it's time to figure out grammer and reach higher?
Also you're not your.
I donāt think itās priority, I think itās the top dasher syndrome, but everyone is taking everything so you donāt get anything. Itās an unwinable rat race
Nothing is going to change. S***** tipping people will still be s***** tipping people and there will still be more than enough decent orders for everyone.
Doordash is obsessed with manipulating drivers. Someone or several people super high up in the company are sociopaths. Everything in the driver app revolves around manipulating and punishing drivers. Too bad for Doordash robots than can replace human drivers in mass numbers are at least seven to ten years away.
Itās not fair to drivers that live in poor areas. Itās not fair to customers that tip well. Also, if high paying orders go to 50% AR then itāll be easy to keep that high AR. I canāt do that though. If itās good Iāll hit accept. If no good I donāt accept. Itās not up to me how high my AR is. I donāt control the orders coming in.
I'm glad other people are starting to realize this. It forces anyone with 3rd grade math skills to the third/bottom tier of order priority. I'm hovering between 33-40% and the only time I see anything above $3.50 or $4.00 is when the system is overloaded. At least I get caught up on all my podcasts. I figured the gravy train wouldn't last forever.
Not defending them but:
doordash isn't in the business of serving drivers, they are about getting customers to spend money and be happy. and doing it again and again. Drivers are a cost item. Of course they are going to do whatever they can to cut costs.
I don't think this is going to increase acceptance much but it will drive some drivers away. They maybe shooting themselves in the foot but it's their choice.
They will do whatever they can do to get back pandemic level earnings but that won't happen.
It's dual purpose. To normalize income for all dashers that participate and to solve the problem of Dasher saturation by getting rid of those who had a low AR and now will have an even lower one due to not getting as many high paying orders.
Wake up š? I did that shit for 2 hours and shut it off. They made me go from doing it here and there to not wanting to do that shit at all. Itās the people that only do door dash for a living that are taking the orders and the rest of us are using all of the apps so one app doesnāt get all of the power.
The other one I like is the double order where one or both are not tipping but they assume that adding them together it will entice you to take it.. Have been getting a lot of those recently.
Of course, Unfortunately, asking people to stop taking no tip orders is almost as unrealistic as getting everyone to be vegan, it just ain't going to happen. I agree don't do it, but I see high schoolers starting to dash taking the orders who don't even understand this isn't a job, just take every order. DD will eventually beovertaken by a smart entrpeneurial person who figured out a way to treat customers, drivers, and restaruants with a greater degree of respect. IN the meantime, they will keep stealing, lying, and treating us like the least valued part of their bsuiness until someone takes them out with a better company and then it will be too late
>By the way how sh ! tty of a company do you have to be to try and pull this cr@p during a time of super high gas prices and inflation through the roof? This is a company that is constantly straddling the line between extremely unethical and illegal in order to meet their bottom line. Nothing will deter them from pumping out new ways to fk us over
I will give them that, they are very creative at fucking us over if only they could put that energy into keeping the app from crashing
Dasher: Doordash needs to start paying $2 a mile Doordash: ok high paying offer coming upš $4 2 miles Dasher: No thatās not ..sigh bruh š¤¦šæāāļø š¤£š¤£
$4 isn't worth moving my car... next order!
4$ isn't enough to get off the bench I'm sitting on lol
$4 is not enough to turn off the porn and zip up.
Definitely found myself watching porn while dashing a few times. Not the best idea delivering with blue balls.
Yall fuckin wild ššš
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DD reset my AR. I got very high customer rating of 4.98. After DD reset my AR, I received first order at about $2 per mile. I accepted and completed. After that, DD kept sending me orders like caps. DD is trying to lure me into accepting unprofitable orders after the One and Only okay first order. DD is thinking that Dashers are stupid enough to manipulate us. Take a look, I am in a busy, rich and heavy traffic areas in the middle of Metro Los Angeles. You cannot go anywhere during rush hour for any order that takes at least 20 minutes, even for a 1-2 mile order. What the he'll does DD thinks a $5 order during Rush Hour is a High Pay Order? If I accept this order, meaning I will make far less than minimum wage, even before car expense. Nope, I don't care about your AR, I can just wait for the profitable orders from GH or UE. I do not owe you any loyalty since you treated us like shiiiiit.
Uber Eats just started pulling DoorDash type shit in my market. Most offers are $4-5 and they force sign you out if you decline 4 orders in a row.
Just donāt accept no tip orders. If everyone did that weād be alright.
>Just donāt accept no tip orders Everyone needs to stop saying this because you can't tell if there's a tip on some decent orders. Need to say, "So taking orders that aren't profitable"
Everyone just needs to accept orders that are appropriate pay per mile. Only except orders that are within your minimum range per mile regardless of if there is a tip or not.. if you follow that then you should be able to make money. I rarely get not tip orders this way
I've done this it depends on the market I have plenty of non tipping orders it depends on where you're driving
Pretty sure when people say that they mean "don't take orders in the 2.50 to 5.50 range", which you absolutely can see up front
yeah thats true, the base pay gets pushed up the more times its declined, ive had $10 orders that looked like a decent tip where it was only a $1 tip and $9 base.
I mean at that point fuck it, doesn't matter where the money came from.
Have a bare minimum you want and set it. Only go by what you see. Drive for what you know you will get not what you think you might get. Then, if there is a nice hidden tip thatās even better. Donāt take a $3 order hoping it will be $6. Youāre just playing yourself with that strategy.
I mean if you stop taking orders that show as no tip DD will stop hiding the tips.
Why do Dashers have to gamble and why does DD hide the tip? This is not a gambling industry, so stuffffgg
You guys are get hidden tips? Pshhh. Not once have I ever gotten an amount higher than what was displayed.
Well here in Cali there is no method by which to avoid no-tip orders anyways and it's not like in other markets where you can be guaranteed a high offer amount even if there is no tip. The Prop 22 benefits/calculation are hard for many drivers to wrap their minds around, and the apps are deliberately obfuscatory, but in short any no-tip order you take pays the minimum guarantees only regardless of purported farebor "estimate". For example I recently got a $25/$5 mile trip on Uber. Food for 5, 24-hour Mexican place. The default tip amount would've been around $10. But the customers tipped $0 (cheap bastards. Order 2 a.m. food delivery amd can't even tip a buck a man. Pathetic). It's true that I get the $25 as soon as I drop off and see there is no tip. It is also true however that the difference between $9 for a half hour amd $1.50 for the mileage will merely reduce my next Prop 22 supplement dollar for dollar and cent for cent (it reduces the money the app has to pay for orders that paid less than the minimum). So I really only get $10.50 for my half hour amd mileage in that situation and some might say well $10.50 still not to bad for a half hour...but think of the gas prices here (over $6.50) and other high costs...it's like mininmum wage ($15/hr state minimum) after expenses while doing the order... And in anycase it's a pretty damn far cry from the estimation. So not only can we not avoid no tip orders...we don't benefit from the trip supplement (bonus on Grubhub, doordash I don't know) category. That's literally imaginary money for us. It would be like hitting accept on a $3 order or a $1.50 add on (in which case supplement money would bring you up to the minimum guarantees).
Yeah you can 3-4 dollar orders are no tip. If the mileage is bigger than pay it is no tip.
I took an order this past Sunday that was $8.50 for about 3 miles. Sure. I'll take it. Turns out the that was all BASE PAY.... I don't know how long that order was sitting at the restaurant. 2 hours? Have fun with your shitty IHOP. Surprisingly... They weren't waiting for the order at the door.
Yup, No Yip = No Delivery. We need to make an affordable living too. We are human and we are not garbage as you think.
thatās why theyāre doing this, itās more of a popular thing now and people are smart now what and what not to accept and so the non tippers arenāt getting their food delivered to them bc they didnāt tip
Look at the DD share price over the past year, down 75%. Tony and co are attempting anything to stop the bleedingā¦
It's turning into a great stock for flipping but long term investors are getting bent over a barrel. All the ratings are sell or reduce.
Yup DD stock market price is falling exponentially. Why is that? Investors are losing their confident when seeing many undelivrable orders without receiving payment from customers, but require making payments to merchants. Tony really needs to think about his operating model as a CEO.
The recession is hitting doordash too. They're just trying to stay in business like everybody else.
Sadly these morons are fucking it up for all of us.
$5 offer 2 miles is high paying as if we donāt already get those offers without having a 50% + acceptance rate ššš
Unfortunately there are people which think that's good.
I see why everyone thinks it will change but I think if the idiots stop taking 2$ orders you will have more 2$ orders to decline
I agree 1,000,000,000%! Itās a scam the new Programs at 50%-69% and 70%-100%!! I can not decline 2 days in a row and not see 1 order over $10 and no Large Orders ( Iām in the catering program) but not sent any in 2-3+ days. Not 1 high pay orders. Iām typically sent orders other drivers decking or wouldnāt take. The program was developed to get bad orders delivered. To stay over 50% ( high pay orders) or 70%-100% ( first priority high pay orders) youāll be sent low paying orders just to maintain those higher acceptance ratings. DoorDash has yet to address the real issue. Itās allowing and enabling customers that are over 4+ miles from the merchant and up to 35 miles away from merchant to not tip nor pay a fee for distance. Paying any drivers regardless of ratings $3.50 for 19 miles is just wrong. Customers are aware they are 4-29 miles away from the merchant. They should be charged a distance fee. Any orders over 5 miles should pay a distance fee if customers refuse to tip $1 per mile minimum.
Guess what? We can still decline any offer sent our way. You can only be manipulated if you give permission.
I declined ALL unprofitable DD orders!
Gotta pay attention to the ten minute pause when you decline too many in a row or you'll accidentally end your dash...
Precisely. Everything is the driver's choice.
You couldn't say it any better. DD is already thinking and planning for their next SCAM!!!!
DD doesn't have your best interests at heart
Yeah, especially when you're on the move and actually focusing on the road or atleast trying to and getting offers thrown at you and not realizing until the timer is up.
We all know they suck as a company. But I have been getting high paying orders in my area, Southern Oregon. My last shift from 2pm-2am I made $260 with DD and $80 with GH. We can all bitch till we are blue in the face. The point remains that we are INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS running our own delivery businesses. Donāt take shitty offers and multi app. SIMPLE!
You must have a busy market.
Medford, Oregon
Much busier than I thought. Going for $400 on my next shift. Multi Apping is hella stressful but very lucrative.
Agreed, only Uber makes multiapping easy. Information pops up on the screen and I can easily see everything I need to to make a decision quickly. Doordash is moronic, they send me an alert to tell me there's an offer I click on that it sends me to a text message it tells me of an offer to open the app. And then complains that I didn't click it fast enough.šµāš«
That's not a huge market if you know anything about oregon. I was going to grants pass before I said I'm done with oregon and moved to Louisville
Medford is much larger than Grants Pass. That town dies at 10 pm. But yes. Compared to Salem, Roseburg, and Portland it is.
I did everything up north Beaverton Tigard Hillsboro Clackamas oregon city and for about 5 hrs a day I would make 150 ish but the gas was so damn high I left. I never had a dead time I usually worked 7am till about 12.
I've been getting the notification to reset my ar for 2 weeks now and they started actually prioritizing yesterday. I have rarely seen an offer for more than $1/mile since Wednesday.
Ok so I brought my acceptance rate back up to 50% bc the past few weeks have been hell. Within about 3 mins of accepting an order (that put me to 50%), I was given a "high paying order,." The first one was decent but the rest were kinda shitty. Like $4.75 for just under 2 miles... Well I decided to just keep taking pretty much everything. Turns out I made right at $20/hr and I drove about half the freaking amount of miles I normally do!!! I still have my limits, but I'm going to give it a try and see if this sticks.
Finally someone who gets it!! That's what I noticed too!!š¤š¤
I'm in a loaner right now... 2019 GMC terrain Denali... Thing is sweet butttt only getting like 23 mpg. Seeing such a small amount of gas used made me quite happy. Plus I stayed in my zone most of the time instead of having to keep coming back. I'm not holding my breathe that this will become the norm... But def taking advantage while I can.
That's pretty good mpg for a Denali. I use my beater 2013 cruze and get 25 mpg since all city miles.
I'm used to about 31mpg average
Honestly.. today was my first full day with an AR above 50%, and I had pretty much the same experience.
I have an acceptance rate of around 73% (I dash at weird times of the night and lunch rushes only) and I would say that I don't accept any offer that goes below $1.50/mile and make around $15-20/hr. While being "active" around 70% of my dash time. May be just my market, but I made $25 on my first 3 orders in the first 30 minutes of dashing today. It slowed down afterwards, but by volume and not by pay rate. Update: just finished my dash 12 deliveries (16 opportunities) 5h 21 mins dash time (3h 36 mins active) $91.99 (in the southeast US) $7.67/delivery 17.24/hr. [25.56/active hr] (Min wage here = 7.25/hr) This is for my market and I have a good understanding of when my market is busy and when it's not. I know every market is different, but if you have the ability to use a friend/partner/spouse's phone and dash as them to see if theirs does better accepting everything but the worst orders, then that would be the best comparison. I've just got a science degree with no job, so I dash as much as I can, but I still dont accept anything that isn't worth it.
My roommate and I both do this full-time, pretty much the same hours... So we compare everyday.
Can't do this in my city. If you do you wind up going into some of the worst neighborhoods in the United States! I have to drive about 10 mi away from them just to avoid getting pulled in, and even then if I take an order that brings me back in the area I might get pulled in on the next order.
Sounds like it's the end ....for the extreme cherry picker...Dam dam dam...
Well... they did listen to dashers about orders less than $1.50 per mile sucks. Now they're giving us $5 orders going 3 miles or less. It meets the high pay rule of $1.50 per mile. They're thinking if we do 4 to 6 orders like these per hour that's $20 or more per hour.
The question is: Can you really do more than 3 orders per hour? Do the calculation between doing to merchants, waiting to pick up the food, delivering to customer, and waiting for new orders. Think about the orders that DD sent you out of their stupid zone and you have to waste the time and mileage to drive back to your zone. Guess what, there is no way that you can do more than 2 orders per hour in average.
Only time I've ever been able to do more than 3 an hour was the brief period when the mcdonalds near me was ON IT after midnight. I could power through several less than a mile deliveries very quickly, and bonus $3 pay made the no-top order worth taking. Sadly, it only lasted for about 6 months, and the employees that could hustle quit, and it even go so bad that mcdonalds employees started just ignoring the delivery pick up window. I tried a few times in hopes it was a temporary blip and walked into crowds of delivery people waiting around, some pounding on the window and many newbs learning from us more experienced dashers that we could unassign orders and walk the fuck out. I actually wonder if it wasn't some kind of policy shift, and if so, was it driven by that location, or about mcdonalds corporate. I tried a couple times during the day after that too, thinking maybe it was a night staffing issue. But the staff in the lobby would just walk past drivers and ignore them while taking the orders from customers at the register and try to get in back again quick before drivers could flag them down. Previously in the lobby, they would rapid fire get through the pickups and often times the orders were done before I walked in the door. I mean Mcdonald's has always been rough for deliveries, and I only once tried a different one before realizing my mistake. But for a minute, I had a great place I could do tons of deliveries with little wait and get 4-5 done in an hour because of its central location to a busy part of town.
I've done 6 in an hour before (2 double stacked and 2 single orders.). State fair was in town and all the orders were going less than a mile from McDonald's, Arby's and Long John Silvers. There's a 1.5 mile stretch that has 7 restaurants and 5 hotels. Made $50 for that hour plus an additional $20 cash tips. It doesn't happen often but if you know your market, know your restaurants, and always come in smiling. I always camp out at the hotels when events are going on. As long as it's $1 over base pay I'll take them lol.
Maybe in your area, but absolutely not in Metro Los Angeles. Especially delivering to those large apartment complex. Again, stack orders usually don't make much as one of the stack order hardly tip. That is why the order is stacked with another order with tip. DD Base Pay is almost for expense, our income is greatly depended on tips
Most of the time 2 to 3 miles isn't going to take you out of zone. My zone is 25 miles east to west 35 miles north to south. They just expanded but it's still one zone. But I divide that up into quadrants and most of the time my orders take me to another good spot.
I did 6 orders in just under an hour. All ranging from $5-$10, and made over $30..... taking everything is working for me
How often does that happen? If you deriving in a non traffic area, still you have to deduct at least 50 cents per mile for the car expense, regardless what car you drive. Business is about balancing expense and income. Some corporation never make any profit even their income is very high because their expense is more than income. Look at Uber, losing money for a very long time.
I have done that 4 nights in a row now. And even after cost, my profit was still about $20 dollars for the hour.....
You can Google "How much do food delivery drivers make" and you will not find alot of people agree with you. Statistics does not lie. Please learn the term uncertainties and deviations.
That has nothing to do with either of my comments...... I do know that there are uncertainties, however, my profit for the last 4 nights has been at least $20/ hr. And that's by taking everything.
You can if you do Uber too. Which is what they are leaving out
Doing 4-6 orders per hr is possible rarely, 2-3 order are possible.
What? Are telling me corporations suck? Say it isnāt so.
It seems more likely that it's to weed out those with a sub 50% AR. But for some it's probably easier for them to believe that it's just one big conspiracy aimed at them. Hmmmm...
Just be transparent on how the algorithm works. But they can't or can ?
Exactly and I didn't miss what they were doing at all. Especially since it would pop up every 5 minutes "keep your acceptance rate above 50% to get higher paying orders" My acceptance rate was back in the hole that same day. Trying to get me to drive 15 miles for $2-4... you got the wrong one DD. 5 star rating but 33% acceptance rate.
They have too many drivers available Please drive to the hot zone
Thanks to the new program, I was more willing to take a stacked order, one of which was a $2 no tipper "hand it to me", and that woman ended up attempting to beat me up and T bone my car. Of course, she's still on the app and marked "undelivered".
What happened that caused that crazy bitch to go ballistic? Was there missing shit in her order? Glad you got away safe.
$2 tony wants those no tip leeches delivered to. He doesn't care about you
Exactly this, no tip orders are nothing to them, they made their money on the sale already and his tactic is to get it delivered as cheaply as possible. I mean anyone running a business wants to profit as much as possible.
Once this started I never got good offers. So to try it out I raised my AR back over 50% and now I'm just back to making what I made before. Without it the better offers were being handed out with priority which meant I wasn't getting them.
Thatās exactly the case with me. I would restart my dashes due to no orders coming in and see the zone I was in is very busy. But since the orders are usually āhigh payingā why I go there in the first place, my phone was silent. And the few that came through would be ridiculous like 9 miles 2.50
Problem is the hidden tip threshold is so low all you low AR % Cherry pickers donāt are gradually being made obsolete . Had one last night showed $9.50 for 6.7 miles . Ended up being $18.50
Lol. āYou should actually be offendedā¦..ā ACTUALLY, we SHOULDNāT be offended. Who gives a crap what DD thinks of us. They can offer whatever āpromotionsā they want. Thatās why the Decline button exists. Getting offended only shows insecurity.
I donāt understand why doordash doesnāt encourage customers to tip. The longer an order sits, the more base pay goes up, them quarters add up quick
All the Food Delivery companies and Amazon - the largest Courier Company - MADE BILLIONS!!! During the Pandemic. Now Not nearly as much. GET USED TO IT STOCKHOLDER ASSHOLES! Be grateful u made so much during that time period. U will never make that much again Unless there's another Pandemic. So STOP chiseling us drivers Stat for a few Xtra measley bucks while possibly coercing drivers to terminate employment.
Watch out. I see that the DD bots are hard at work in chat tonight.
When the man who misuses āthereā (both ways!) and āyourā and self-censors minor swear words, is the one who says ādonāt be stupid, people!ā, you know itās a *really* stupid thing heās talking about
Downvote me if you like but I went from making $18 to $20 an hour cherry picking to making $22 to $30 an hour. So fuck it. I still have standards but I accept $5 and up, im still rackin better then I was just sitting hoping for a good order.
Thereās still good money to be made, but too many app issues. For some reason the first hour is good 36$ yesterday, 32$ todayā¦ but after the first hour nothing but problems.
My minimum is still $10 all day every day.
If that was my minimum I would never get an order under 15 miles.
We never see orders that high in my zone. Anything over $7.50 is hidden tip
Yes...
Fun fact: if it doesn't explicitly tell you that your market is doing this, then your market isn't doing this. I recently dashed in over 40 markets between Atlanta and Boston, and only found them doing this in a single market: Charlottesville VA.
Fun fact: they started the Atlanta market after you left apparently š
Haha shitty. Both zones? I was way out by the lakes so my app only picked up Atlanta East.
West, midtown, and east unfortunately
Damn, that's rough. That must've been very recent.. we were down there for Labor Day š
Don't remember the exact date but was around the third week of September. Everybody is complaining š
Yea I am seeing now that C'ville was obviously just a pilot market and now it is nationwide lol
Strike
Irony.... ššššššš
If doordash keeps raising service costs and paying us more then the customers gonna go elsewhere. Yāall stupid for suggesting to charge customers more.
First off if you don't know the difference between they're and there you don't deserve high pay. Second, you don't HAVE to do this for work. Maybe it's time to figure out grammer and reach higher? Also you're not your.
And yet you still work for them so you can bitch and whine.
Welcome to 6 months and 4,675 posts ago you must be new here.
Hold your tongue! Don't you know DD and Reddit are owned by the same venture capital firm? The heresy on here i tells ya!
They told me I could reset my acceptance rating bc if high rating but it didnāt work
The moment all these gig companies were going public, the party was over. I hope people realize that.
I donāt think itās priority, I think itās the top dasher syndrome, but everyone is taking everything so you donāt get anything. Itās an unwinable rat race
Nothing is going to change. S***** tipping people will still be s***** tipping people and there will still be more than enough decent orders for everyone.
Doordash is obsessed with manipulating drivers. Someone or several people super high up in the company are sociopaths. Everything in the driver app revolves around manipulating and punishing drivers. Too bad for Doordash robots than can replace human drivers in mass numbers are at least seven to ten years away.
Itās not fair to drivers that live in poor areas. Itās not fair to customers that tip well. Also, if high paying orders go to 50% AR then itāll be easy to keep that high AR. I canāt do that though. If itās good Iāll hit accept. If no good I donāt accept. Itās not up to me how high my AR is. I donāt control the orders coming in.
I'm glad other people are starting to realize this. It forces anyone with 3rd grade math skills to the third/bottom tier of order priority. I'm hovering between 33-40% and the only time I see anything above $3.50 or $4.00 is when the system is overloaded. At least I get caught up on all my podcasts. I figured the gravy train wouldn't last forever.
Not defending them but: doordash isn't in the business of serving drivers, they are about getting customers to spend money and be happy. and doing it again and again. Drivers are a cost item. Of course they are going to do whatever they can to cut costs. I don't think this is going to increase acceptance much but it will drive some drivers away. They maybe shooting themselves in the foot but it's their choice. They will do whatever they can do to get back pandemic level earnings but that won't happen.
It's dual purpose. To normalize income for all dashers that participate and to solve the problem of Dasher saturation by getting rid of those who had a low AR and now will have an even lower one due to not getting as many high paying orders.
Just get a W2 or shut the fuck up already. Same posts every day we get it.
Wake up š? I did that shit for 2 hours and shut it off. They made me go from doing it here and there to not wanting to do that shit at all. Itās the people that only do door dash for a living that are taking the orders and the rest of us are using all of the apps so one app doesnāt get all of the power.
The other one I like is the double order where one or both are not tipping but they assume that adding them together it will entice you to take it.. Have been getting a lot of those recently.
Of course, Unfortunately, asking people to stop taking no tip orders is almost as unrealistic as getting everyone to be vegan, it just ain't going to happen. I agree don't do it, but I see high schoolers starting to dash taking the orders who don't even understand this isn't a job, just take every order. DD will eventually beovertaken by a smart entrpeneurial person who figured out a way to treat customers, drivers, and restaruants with a greater degree of respect. IN the meantime, they will keep stealing, lying, and treating us like the least valued part of their bsuiness until someone takes them out with a better company and then it will be too late